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What if the deep truths about the human nature are in fact very shallow? I can imagine that all human deepness is, not unlike the very sofisticated feathers of

What if the deep truths about the human nature are in fact very shallow? I can imagine that all human deepness is, not unlike the very sofisticated feathers of the peacock, just a tool to increase status & SMV.

cowuser666 4y ago
And language is just a tool to hunt better and coordinate distribution of berries. And human consciousness is just a tool to model other minds to negotiate better. Nothing to see here.
- Kevcmk 4y ago
  Cynicism is both cheap and lazy. You two sound miserable
  - cowuser666 4y ago
    Worldviews don't win points for being expensive and industrious. But my point, had you seen past your mood affiliation, was that explaining the origin of a phenomenon doesn't tell you its value.
    - molly0 4y ago
      Good point.
polio 4y ago
There are plenty of people who still lead complex lives after they are effectively out of said market.
- Silverback_VII 4y ago
  Some people certainly think that they are out of the market but their organism may have a different opinion. People who are truly out of the market like postmenopausal women often feel a lack of motivation and their physical activity measurably decreases.
theonemind 4y ago
How would you explain homosexuality with this model? Historically, it has actually cost in terms of status, certainly doesn't confer reproductive fitness on the individual, and sorely restricts the individual's sexual market. It falls apart rather quickly without the tell-tale signs of a tortured model, like modelling our solar system as the motion of circles because you won't admit the ellipse. You can do it, but you probably just need a better model. For starters, the over-focus on the individual misses competition at level above and below, genes and groups. Secondly, it glosses over emergent phenomena too glibly. If you try to model a presidential election in terms of quantum physics and general relativity, you won't get very far. I can even point out an emergent phenomenon that radically changes this calculus, the human frontal lobes. Unlike most animals, we can suppress our immediate reactions and get mental time and distance from the world, to remap our motivations and act in ways completely absurd from the point of status and sexual market value, like suicide bombings. Status and sexual market value drop to dead zero. You can try to tie it back to status and sexual market value, passing through the activity of the frontal lobes, which would only prove my point about emergent phenomena and a tortured model. "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." - H. L. Mencken

cowuser666 4y ago

And language is just a tool to hunt better and coordinate distribution of berries. And human consciousness is just a tool to model other minds to negotiate better. Nothing to see here.

Kevcmk 4y ago
Cynicism is both cheap and lazy. You two sound miserable
- cowuser666 4y ago
  Worldviews don't win points for being expensive and industrious. But my point, had you seen past your mood affiliation, was that explaining the origin of a phenomenon doesn't tell you its value.
  - molly0 4y ago
    Good point.

polio 4y ago

There are plenty of people who still lead complex lives after they are effectively out of said market.

Silverback_VII 4y ago
Some people certainly think that they are out of the market but their organism may have a different opinion. People who are truly out of the market like postmenopausal women often feel a lack of motivation and their physical activity measurably decreases.

theonemind 4y ago

How would you explain homosexuality with this model? Historically, it has actually cost in terms of status, certainly doesn't confer reproductive fitness on the individual, and sorely restricts the individual's sexual market. It falls apart rather quickly without the tell-tale signs of a tortured model, like modelling our solar system as the motion of circles because you won't admit the ellipse. You can do it, but you probably just need a better model. For starters, the over-focus on the individual misses competition at level above and below, genes and groups. Secondly, it glosses over emergent phenomena too glibly. If you try to model a presidential election in terms of quantum physics and general relativity, you won't get very far. I can even point out an emergent phenomenon that radically changes this calculus, the human frontal lobes. Unlike most animals, we can suppress our immediate reactions and get mental time and distance from the world, to remap our motivations and act in ways completely absurd from the point of status and sexual market value, like suicide bombings. Status and sexual market value drop to dead zero. You can try to tie it back to status and sexual market value, passing through the activity of the frontal lobes, which would only prove my point about emergent phenomena and a tortured model. "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." - H. L. Mencken