4 ms·

While the arguments are repetitive this isn’t a culture war. The EU made its bed (or more likely, imported it) and now has to sleep in it. Deindustrialization h

While the arguments are repetitive this isn’t a culture war. The EU made its bed (or more likely, imported it) and now has to sleep in it. Deindustrialization has been ongoing.

systemvoltage 4y ago
In California, I get physical mail pamphlets that help me prepare for power outages and what I should do to reduce quality of life. It’s not from PG&E, but our city.
- landemva 4y ago
  German government published a cookbook to teach people how to cook without electricity. "Kochen ohne Strom" https://www.bbk.bund.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/DE/2021/09/pm-27-kochen-ohne-strom.html https://www.bbk.bund.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/DE/202... It would have been useful to keep coal powered electric plants in use and stocked with a mountain of coal.
  - cinntaile 4y ago
    They will likely keep some coal plants online longer than was originally planned, so that is definitely a thing. They even restarted some plants to reduce their current dependency on Russian gas.
    - landemva 4y ago
      There have been logistics issues getting coal to the plants. It feels like energy production followed the manufacturing motto of "just in time" instead of stockpiling the input coal. This lack of resilience was unnecessary.
      - cinntaile 4y ago
        It is an ad hoc solution to the current situation so I'm not surprised it's not exactly smooth sailing. It doesn't help that they recently shut down some of their reactors, they could have at least kept them open until the situation stabilized.
      - hef19898 4y ago
        I am not aware cial, usually shipped in bulk and very easily stored, was ever delivered JIT. But whatever, JIT was already the reason why the chip supply from Asia to overseas car factories was disrupted, at least according to certain people without the slightest clue of how JIT works. Or supply chains in general...
        avh02 4y ago
        not sure exactly what disruptions they did on the storage area, but this happened recently: https://www.dw.com/en/germany-arrests-as-climate-protests-disrupt-coal-power-plant-berlin-traffic/a-63174854 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-arrests-as-climate-protests-di...
- HeyLaughingBoy 4y ago
  I don't think this part of living in the future was predicted on The Jetsons
  - systemvoltage 4y ago
    Oh my, I didn't realize The Jetsons aired in 1962: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jetsons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jetsons Thats 60 years ago. Wow.
    - dsr_ 4y ago
      George Jetson's birthdate is arguably this year.
medo-bear 4y ago
> The EU made its bed (or more likely, imported it) and now has to sleep in it we should have taken the US more seriously when they said to buy US oil. not wise to piss the US off
- adventured 4y ago
  I have thoroughly enjoyed the acrobatics required for Europeans that try to blame all of this on the US because they need a scapegoat so as to avoid personal responsibility.
  - retinaros 4y ago
    u mean like when ukrained was trained by us operative, its leadership selected by us operative and using us weapons . the only country that used nuclear are the usa. i wouldnt trust them not to push for a nuclear attack again
    - pkaye 4y ago
      It was not just US but includes UK and Canada and the NATO organization. https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN07135/SN07135.pdf https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN07...
      - retinaros 4y ago
        nato is usa
        ben_w 4y ago
        Two other permanent members of the UN Security Council with their own independent nuclear arsenals will be very surprised to learn that.
  - Jon_Lowtek 4y ago
    This has nothing to do with scapegoating, the US military literally attacked european infrastructure this week

While the arguments are repetitive this isn’t a culture war. The EU made its bed (or more likely, imported it) and now has to sleep in it. Deindustrialization has been ongoing.

systemvoltage 4y ago

In California, I get physical mail pamphlets that help me prepare for power outages and what I should do to reduce quality of life. It’s not from PG&E, but our city.

landemva 4y ago
German government published a cookbook to teach people how to cook without electricity. "Kochen ohne Strom" https://www.bbk.bund.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/DE/2021/09/pm-27-kochen-ohne-strom.html https://www.bbk.bund.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/DE/202... It would have been useful to keep coal powered electric plants in use and stocked with a mountain of coal.
- cinntaile 4y ago
  They will likely keep some coal plants online longer than was originally planned, so that is definitely a thing. They even restarted some plants to reduce their current dependency on Russian gas.
  - landemva 4y ago
    There have been logistics issues getting coal to the plants. It feels like energy production followed the manufacturing motto of "just in time" instead of stockpiling the input coal. This lack of resilience was unnecessary.
    - cinntaile 4y ago
      It is an ad hoc solution to the current situation so I'm not surprised it's not exactly smooth sailing. It doesn't help that they recently shut down some of their reactors, they could have at least kept them open until the situation stabilized.
    - hef19898 4y ago
      I am not aware cial, usually shipped in bulk and very easily stored, was ever delivered JIT. But whatever, JIT was already the reason why the chip supply from Asia to overseas car factories was disrupted, at least according to certain people without the slightest clue of how JIT works. Or supply chains in general...
      - avh02 4y ago
        not sure exactly what disruptions they did on the storage area, but this happened recently: https://www.dw.com/en/germany-arrests-as-climate-protests-disrupt-coal-power-plant-berlin-traffic/a-63174854 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-arrests-as-climate-protests-di...
HeyLaughingBoy 4y ago
I don't think this part of living in the future was predicted on The Jetsons
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  Oh my, I didn't realize The Jetsons aired in 1962: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jetsons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jetsons Thats 60 years ago. Wow.
  - dsr_ 4y ago
    George Jetson's birthdate is arguably this year.

medo-bear 4y ago

> The EU made its bed (or more likely, imported it) and now has to sleep in it we should have taken the US more seriously when they said to buy US oil. not wise to piss the US off

adventured 4y ago
I have thoroughly enjoyed the acrobatics required for Europeans that try to blame all of this on the US because they need a scapegoat so as to avoid personal responsibility.
- retinaros 4y ago
  u mean like when ukrained was trained by us operative, its leadership selected by us operative and using us weapons . the only country that used nuclear are the usa. i wouldnt trust them not to push for a nuclear attack again
  - pkaye 4y ago
    It was not just US but includes UK and Canada and the NATO organization. https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN07135/SN07135.pdf https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN07...
    - retinaros 4y ago
      nato is usa
      - ben_w 4y ago
        Two other permanent members of the UN Security Council with their own independent nuclear arsenals will be very surprised to learn that.
- Jon_Lowtek 4y ago
  This has nothing to do with scapegoating, the US military literally attacked european infrastructure this week