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I see a lot of negative comments here, but is Adobe really that bad? Photoshop isn't a perfect application and the creative cloud bulk it comes with can be a bi

by kypro 4y ago

I see a lot of negative comments here, but is Adobe really that bad? Photoshop isn't a perfect application and the creative cloud bulk it comes with can be a bit irritating, but it's still an incredibly powerful market-leading application. The AI editing features they've added in recent years have been great and I've also found their iPad version of the application to be surprisingly good. I guess what I'm saying is that while Figma might get some additional bulk I don't think it's fair to assume the product will stagnate under Adobe? They're paying a lot for Figma in an attempt to secure their market position, given that I doubt they plan to push people away from the product. I understand the apprehension, but it seems a little premature to me?

atonse 4y ago
My guess is that people are fearing that they’ll just roll it into creative cloud and try to shove all the other crap down their throats. We are just starting to use Figma now. We might consider penpot but the community content around Figma wins. Can figma files/assets/components be imported into penpot?
- TuringTest 4y ago
  This feature for Penpot is now their #1 priority, they said that they'll be available soon.
gherkinnn 4y ago
Installing CC immediately cripples your machine and it can’t ever be uninstalled. The only course of action is throwing it on a good old plague pyre. You can’t cancel your Adobe subscription without sacrificing your first born. Fireworks was dead the moment they bought it. PS always was shite for UIs. AI was good, but Sketch crushed it. XD is a bad joke. Adobe is utterly hopeless at this. I can’t see Figma carrying its momentum for more than 5 years. So of course there’s a lot of negativity in here.
- kypro 4y ago
  > Installing CC immediately cripples your machine and it can’t ever be uninstalled. Yeah, it sucks, I get why people don't like it, but I've also never had a machine "crippled" by CC. > You can’t cancel your Adobe subscription without sacrificing your first born. It's a nightmare to cancel a lot of subscriptions. The Amazon Prime cancelation process is hilariously obstructive. > Fireworks was dead the moment they bought it. Yeah, that was a shame. I used to like Fireworks. It also felt like a product without a good market fit to me though. > PS always was shite for UIs. It's called "photo"shop for a reason. I don't think they optimise Photoshop for UI design. It's absolutely great for photo editing. > AI was good, but Sketch crushed it. I guess there is where I don't have enough experience to comment. I still use AI, but my graphic design friends do seem to prefer Sketch these days. > XD is a bad joke. Adobe is utterly hopeless at this. I can’t see Figma carrying its momentum for more than 5 years. Fair enough. I guess I just don't see all Adobe software as terrible and I'd argue lot of it is pretty good or at least competitive with competitor products on the market. My main issue with them is the bloat. Unless you need several CC applications you're often better going with something else because of all the crap they'll install in addition to the one application you need. I guess as an example here, 5 years ago I used to use Notepad++ to write JS, then I used Atom, now I use VSCode. Things change quickly in the tech. The fact that Adobe products fail really isn't all that surprising. Is there any software you used 15+ years ago that you still use today? I think the difference with Adobe is that people attach their brand to those product failures and say, well if `x` failed why won't `y`? But I don't think it's entirely Adobe's fault, it's more a result of them operating in a very competitive space where things are changing quickly.
- rewgs 4y ago
  > Installing CC immediately cripples your machine and it can’t ever be uninstalled. My multiple computers from which I uninstalled CC would beg to differ.
pixelrevision 4y ago
Photoshop is Adobe’s flagship application so it’s probably not what you’d want to look at as a comparison. I’d look at the current status of all the products they bought from Macromedia (which were all wildly popular at the time) to get an idea of where people’s concerns lie.
- matwood 4y ago
  Did the Macromedia products die because of Adobe or because the market shifted? The iPhone, somewhat famously, never ran Flash for example. Things like Dreamweaver and ColdFusion were cool at the time, but fell out of favor with accelerating web standards.
  - snowwrestler 4y ago
    Accelerating web standards are not why Dreamweaver fell out of favor. Adobe could have accelerated Dreamweaver to keep up, but it didn’t. They abandoned it and it fell behind. Same with Fireworks, which did what Figma does in a more basic and client-side way. Again: Adobe let it fall behind the marketplace and that is why it failed. Flash, ironically, did advance and is used today in professional animation. Bojack Horseman (for example) was animated in Flash.
matwood 4y ago
I think the move to subscription really rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. Many people didn't want or need the features that added the subscription value, so they felt cheated. Personally, I'm ok with the subscription because I already upgraded LR every year. I use LR on all my devices, syncing photos and edits. It's great when I'm shooting on a trip, and can import photos on my iPad and start proofing, then they are already available on the computer when I get home. And you're right, the AI editing features are getting very good. But, for the person who was using LR to edit their family vacation photos once or twice year, the move to subscription was not a good value.
scyzoryk_xyz 4y ago
My spouse is a designer and Adobe has her locked in. To be active in the market she must personally pay a monthly fee and the software she needs most is Adobe Indesign (for print publishing). This software has drastically gone downhill in quality, but there are no viable alternatives. The situation is bizarre, because older veteran print designers keep old laptops alive with old versions of Indesign. Meanwhile she isn’t even sure whether her project will blow up or render/print the way it’s supposed to. It boggles my mind how something so big and so simple doesn’t work the way it’s supposed to in 2022. You’re probably not upset because it’s just photoshop for you. But specialists like her feel like they will end up paying more for even shittier buggier tools.
- srdesigner 4y ago
  The Affinity Suite of tools (competitors to PS, IL, ID) are very much great alternatives to the Adobe ecosystem. Pricing is significantly less too.
RunSet 4y ago
> is Adobe really that bad? No. Adobe is worse than that. https://news.hitb.org/content/adobe-denies-responsibility-dmitry-sklyarov https://news.hitb.org/content/adobe-denies-responsibility-dm...

by kypro 4y ago

atonse 4y ago

My guess is that people are fearing that they’ll just roll it into creative cloud and try to shove all the other crap down their throats. We are just starting to use Figma now. We might consider penpot but the community content around Figma wins. Can figma files/assets/components be imported into penpot?

TuringTest 4y ago
This feature for Penpot is now their #1 priority, they said that they'll be available soon.

gherkinnn 4y ago

Installing CC immediately cripples your machine and it can’t ever be uninstalled. The only course of action is throwing it on a good old plague pyre. You can’t cancel your Adobe subscription without sacrificing your first born. Fireworks was dead the moment they bought it. PS always was shite for UIs. AI was good, but Sketch crushed it. XD is a bad joke. Adobe is utterly hopeless at this. I can’t see Figma carrying its momentum for more than 5 years. So of course there’s a lot of negativity in here.

kypro 4y ago
> Installing CC immediately cripples your machine and it can’t ever be uninstalled. Yeah, it sucks, I get why people don't like it, but I've also never had a machine "crippled" by CC. > You can’t cancel your Adobe subscription without sacrificing your first born. It's a nightmare to cancel a lot of subscriptions. The Amazon Prime cancelation process is hilariously obstructive. > Fireworks was dead the moment they bought it. Yeah, that was a shame. I used to like Fireworks. It also felt like a product without a good market fit to me though. > PS always was shite for UIs. It's called "photo"shop for a reason. I don't think they optimise Photoshop for UI design. It's absolutely great for photo editing. > AI was good, but Sketch crushed it. I guess there is where I don't have enough experience to comment. I still use AI, but my graphic design friends do seem to prefer Sketch these days. > XD is a bad joke. Adobe is utterly hopeless at this. I can’t see Figma carrying its momentum for more than 5 years. Fair enough. I guess I just don't see all Adobe software as terrible and I'd argue lot of it is pretty good or at least competitive with competitor products on the market. My main issue with them is the bloat. Unless you need several CC applications you're often better going with something else because of all the crap they'll install in addition to the one application you need. I guess as an example here, 5 years ago I used to use Notepad++ to write JS, then I used Atom, now I use VSCode. Things change quickly in the tech. The fact that Adobe products fail really isn't all that surprising. Is there any software you used 15+ years ago that you still use today? I think the difference with Adobe is that people attach their brand to those product failures and say, well if `x` failed why won't `y`? But I don't think it's entirely Adobe's fault, it's more a result of them operating in a very competitive space where things are changing quickly.
rewgs 4y ago
> Installing CC immediately cripples your machine and it can’t ever be uninstalled. My multiple computers from which I uninstalled CC would beg to differ.

pixelrevision 4y ago

Photoshop is Adobe’s flagship application so it’s probably not what you’d want to look at as a comparison. I’d look at the current status of all the products they bought from Macromedia (which were all wildly popular at the time) to get an idea of where people’s concerns lie.

matwood 4y ago
Did the Macromedia products die because of Adobe or because the market shifted? The iPhone, somewhat famously, never ran Flash for example. Things like Dreamweaver and ColdFusion were cool at the time, but fell out of favor with accelerating web standards.
- snowwrestler 4y ago
  Accelerating web standards are not why Dreamweaver fell out of favor. Adobe could have accelerated Dreamweaver to keep up, but it didn’t. They abandoned it and it fell behind. Same with Fireworks, which did what Figma does in a more basic and client-side way. Again: Adobe let it fall behind the marketplace and that is why it failed. Flash, ironically, did advance and is used today in professional animation. Bojack Horseman (for example) was animated in Flash.

matwood 4y ago

I think the move to subscription really rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. Many people didn't want or need the features that added the subscription value, so they felt cheated. Personally, I'm ok with the subscription because I already upgraded LR every year. I use LR on all my devices, syncing photos and edits. It's great when I'm shooting on a trip, and can import photos on my iPad and start proofing, then they are already available on the computer when I get home. And you're right, the AI editing features are getting very good. But, for the person who was using LR to edit their family vacation photos once or twice year, the move to subscription was not a good value.

scyzoryk_xyz 4y ago

My spouse is a designer and Adobe has her locked in. To be active in the market she must personally pay a monthly fee and the software she needs most is Adobe Indesign (for print publishing). This software has drastically gone downhill in quality, but there are no viable alternatives. The situation is bizarre, because older veteran print designers keep old laptops alive with old versions of Indesign. Meanwhile she isn’t even sure whether her project will blow up or render/print the way it’s supposed to. It boggles my mind how something so big and so simple doesn’t work the way it’s supposed to in 2022. You’re probably not upset because it’s just photoshop for you. But specialists like her feel like they will end up paying more for even shittier buggier tools.

srdesigner 4y ago
The Affinity Suite of tools (competitors to PS, IL, ID) are very much great alternatives to the Adobe ecosystem. Pricing is significantly less too.

RunSet 4y ago

> is Adobe really that bad? No. Adobe is worse than that. https://news.hitb.org/content/adobe-denies-responsibility-dmitry-sklyarov https://news.hitb.org/content/adobe-denies-responsibility-dm...