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SMS didn’t disappear. You just have to pay for it with money. WhatsApp also isn’t the only IM on the market. If you want to use it, you have to use it on their

SMS didn’t disappear. You just have to pay for it with money. WhatsApp also isn’t the only IM on the market. If you want to use it, you have to use it on their terms.I didn’t like the terms so I dont use it. I prefer paying Apple upfront with money instead of paying other companies with my privacy and attention.

josephcsible 4y ago
The issue isn't that I can't use SMS without paying. Even if I am willing to pay, it does me no good if none of my friends are using it because they're all only on WhatsApp themselves.
- chaostheory 4y ago
  Everyone with a phone still has access to SMS. Your personal choice is not Meta’s problem, nor does meta have a monopoly on communication. No one, especially in developed countries, is forced to use meta services. There are many alternatives. I use iMessage myself which is great
  - josephcsible 4y ago
    It's not just my personal choice. I can't choose to use SMS to communicate if the people I need to talk to don't also make the same choice. And iMessage falls back to SMS when you send messages to people who don't have it.
    - chaostheory 4y ago
      SMS is standard and available on every phone by default. Again people’s personal choices, many of which have alternatives, are not meta’s problem.
      - josephcsible 4y ago
        Remember when Nestlé gave new mothers free trials of baby formula, that lasted just long enough that they'd stop producing breast milk? Was that okay too, since the mothers could have declined but made the personal choice to accept?
        chaostheory 4y ago
        It’s a bad analogy because in this case, the alternatives never went away. If you don’t want to pay for a service upfront with money, you need to pay for it with ads on the service provider’s terms. That is your personal problem stemming from your personal choices. There are alternatives.
        Dylan16807 4y ago
        There's no way to pay for these services upfront and not have the ads and tracking, is there? Alternatives aren't real alternatives if you can't get to your friends.
        chaostheory 4y ago
        They are alternatives because your friends can also switch services. The problem is that you are not willing to pay either money up front or with watching ads. That is not a meta problem, that is problem with your personal preferences no matter how you want to spin it. There are many alternatives available right now and they didn’t disappear like your bad analogy. What you’ve written is clearly disingenuous because you’re not willing to pay for SMS, which everyone including your friends still has access to. It’s not fair to blame meta for that
        Dylan16807 4y ago
        > The problem is that you are not willing to pay either money up front or with watching ads. > clearly disingenuous because you’re not willing to pay for SMS Why are you saying this?? I am fully willing to pay that much. josephcsible also sounds fully willing to pay that much.

josephcsible 4y ago

The issue isn't that I can't use SMS without paying. Even if I am willing to pay, it does me no good if none of my friends are using it because they're all only on WhatsApp themselves.

chaostheory 4y ago
Everyone with a phone still has access to SMS. Your personal choice is not Meta’s problem, nor does meta have a monopoly on communication. No one, especially in developed countries, is forced to use meta services. There are many alternatives. I use iMessage myself which is great
- josephcsible 4y ago
  It's not just my personal choice. I can't choose to use SMS to communicate if the people I need to talk to don't also make the same choice. And iMessage falls back to SMS when you send messages to people who don't have it.
  - chaostheory 4y ago
    SMS is standard and available on every phone by default. Again people’s personal choices, many of which have alternatives, are not meta’s problem.
    - josephcsible 4y ago
      Remember when Nestlé gave new mothers free trials of baby formula, that lasted just long enough that they'd stop producing breast milk? Was that okay too, since the mothers could have declined but made the personal choice to accept?
      - chaostheory 4y ago
        It’s a bad analogy because in this case, the alternatives never went away. If you don’t want to pay for a service upfront with money, you need to pay for it with ads on the service provider’s terms. That is your personal problem stemming from your personal choices. There are alternatives.
        Dylan16807 4y ago
        There's no way to pay for these services upfront and not have the ads and tracking, is there? Alternatives aren't real alternatives if you can't get to your friends.
        chaostheory 4y ago
        They are alternatives because your friends can also switch services. The problem is that you are not willing to pay either money up front or with watching ads. That is not a meta problem, that is problem with your personal preferences no matter how you want to spin it. There are many alternatives available right now and they didn’t disappear like your bad analogy. What you’ve written is clearly disingenuous because you’re not willing to pay for SMS, which everyone including your friends still has access to. It’s not fair to blame meta for that
        Dylan16807 4y ago
        > The problem is that you are not willing to pay either money up front or with watching ads. > clearly disingenuous because you’re not willing to pay for SMS Why are you saying this?? I am fully willing to pay that much. josephcsible also sounds fully willing to pay that much.