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None of Gary’s comments were original either. I don’t know what I’d call this, but I’ve seen similar behavior elsewhere. This weird “flag planting” behavior to

None of Gary’s comments were original either. I don’t know what I’d call this, but I’ve seen similar behavior elsewhere. This weird “flag planting” behavior to try to get credit without doing any actual work, as well as disregarding all prior work. Normally the “predictions” are vague or could be applied to anything. It seems borderline like a mental illness of some sort, but I’m not a mental health professional.

mrtranscendence 4y ago
I think Marcus’s problem here is less with not being given credit as it is with how LeCun has suddenly shifted to similar opinions without any attempt at reconciling how, until very recently, he openly denigrated Marcus and his ideas.
- bjornsing 4y ago
  Marcus has a strong case there, but he could do a better job focusing on that issue…
- yarg 4y ago
  So what now (or, has anything changed since the last time this came up)? Marcus seems to be in the right (though his seething saltiness seems to me to dilute his message), and LeCun has done nothing so far but double down on dickishness. LeCun probably should issue a retraction and an apology, before this really bites him in the arse.
joe_the_user 4y ago
A lot of academic debates come down to flag-planting. But the muddiness of them involves an ambiguity of "Is X flag-planting or is X complaining rightfully about Y flag-planting?". And your comment would be reasonable if you hadn't jumped to the "mental illness" comment, that's a bad way to do discussion.
theteapot 4y ago
There is a guy at work who paints sometimes presumptuous "# TODO: ..." comments all over the code base without ever actually doing anything about the issues, or discussing with anyone. Similar phenomena. Haha.
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mizzao 4y ago
The problem is that ideas are the currency of academia, so you have to plant your flags and defend them like someone might defend a trademark. Luckily in the startup world, ideas are worthless and no one cares if you thought of it first but can't execute. More on academia vs startups: https://twitter.com/mizzao/status/1505529295157948421 https://twitter.com/mizzao/status/1505529295157948421
ahazred8ta 4y ago
Weighing in on Chomsky-related topics can be a minefield as well. (ref. drfun) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZ2wMx2CYAAVhOu?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZ2wMx2CYAAVhOu?format=jpg&name=...

mrtranscendence 4y ago

I think Marcus’s problem here is less with not being given credit as it is with how LeCun has suddenly shifted to similar opinions without any attempt at reconciling how, until very recently, he openly denigrated Marcus and his ideas.

bjornsing 4y ago
Marcus has a strong case there, but he could do a better job focusing on that issue…
yarg 4y ago
So what now (or, has anything changed since the last time this came up)? Marcus seems to be in the right (though his seething saltiness seems to me to dilute his message), and LeCun has done nothing so far but double down on dickishness. LeCun probably should issue a retraction and an apology, before this really bites him in the arse.

joe_the_user 4y ago

A lot of academic debates come down to flag-planting. But the muddiness of them involves an ambiguity of "Is X flag-planting or is X complaining rightfully about Y flag-planting?". And your comment would be reasonable if you hadn't jumped to the "mental illness" comment, that's a bad way to do discussion.

theteapot 4y ago

There is a guy at work who paints sometimes presumptuous "# TODO: ..." comments all over the code base without ever actually doing anything about the issues, or discussing with anyone. Similar phenomena. Haha.

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mizzao 4y ago

The problem is that ideas are the currency of academia, so you have to plant your flags and defend them like someone might defend a trademark. Luckily in the startup world, ideas are worthless and no one cares if you thought of it first but can't execute. More on academia vs startups: https://twitter.com/mizzao/status/1505529295157948421 https://twitter.com/mizzao/status/1505529295157948421

ahazred8ta 4y ago

Weighing in on Chomsky-related topics can be a minefield as well. (ref. drfun) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZ2wMx2CYAAVhOu?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZ2wMx2CYAAVhOu?format=jpg&name=...