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Among other things, right now I don't think Quality-of-life is particularly high if you run the risk of suddenly being locked down in place or thrown in a covid

by smcl 4y ago

Among other things, right now I don't think Quality-of-life is particularly high if you run the risk of suddenly being locked down in place or thrown in a covid hospital (friend of mine went through both, sounded very unpleasant indeed)

seanmcdirmid 4y ago
Ya, China's Zero COVID policy has reversed this trend for sure. It isn't just getting lockdown that people are worried about, but the inability to freely travel without a long quarantine at the end of the trip.
- Zigurd 4y ago
  TBF China hasn't got a lot of choice. They do not have a highly effective vaccine. Millions of people in China would die if COVID were allowed to spread. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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  - prottog 4y ago
    I'm not advocating that millions of people die in a vacuum, but millions of people risking death so that the other billion people in China could live a normal life is at least worth considering the trade-off. The median age of a Covid death in the US, with its obese and unhealthy population, is around the average life expectancy with some room for error. I can't imagine that China fares worse in that regard.
    - Zigurd 4y ago
      The Chinese government would likely consider letting COVID rip through the population if they could survive the consequences of an overwhelmed health system and the numbers of dead.
      - smcl 4y ago
        So that's what is surprising to me, because I figured the CCP had a fairly tight grip on power and is in no danger of being overthrown. My naive guess as an outsider was that it's face-saving for those at the very top - to make an about-turn now would be embarrassing and an admission of defeat. And that only a few specific heads that would roll, but the government itself would remain largely intact
  - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
    > TBF China hasn't got a lot of choice. I wouldn't doubt that this is true. But individuals can make choices, especially mobile techies.

by smcl 4y ago

seanmcdirmid 4y ago

Ya, China's Zero COVID policy has reversed this trend for sure. It isn't just getting lockdown that people are worried about, but the inability to freely travel without a long quarantine at the end of the trip.

Zigurd 4y ago
TBF China hasn't got a lot of choice. They do not have a highly effective vaccine. Millions of people in China would die if COVID were allowed to spread. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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- prottog 4y ago
  I'm not advocating that millions of people die in a vacuum, but millions of people risking death so that the other billion people in China could live a normal life is at least worth considering the trade-off. The median age of a Covid death in the US, with its obese and unhealthy population, is around the average life expectancy with some room for error. I can't imagine that China fares worse in that regard.
  - Zigurd 4y ago
    The Chinese government would likely consider letting COVID rip through the population if they could survive the consequences of an overwhelmed health system and the numbers of dead.
    - smcl 4y ago
      So that's what is surprising to me, because I figured the CCP had a fairly tight grip on power and is in no danger of being overthrown. My naive guess as an outsider was that it's face-saving for those at the very top - to make an about-turn now would be embarrassing and an admission of defeat. And that only a few specific heads that would roll, but the government itself would remain largely intact
- seanmcdirmid 4y ago
  > TBF China hasn't got a lot of choice. I wouldn't doubt that this is true. But individuals can make choices, especially mobile techies.