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I don't understand why people here seem to think Russia is acting rationally. The fact they continue the invasion when losing is clearly irrational. They threat
by throwrqX 4y ago
I don't understand why people here seem to think Russia is acting rationally. The fact they continue the invasion when losing is clearly irrational. They threaten mass nuclear bombardment of Europe nearly daily. I don't see any long term rationality in Putin's government in the slightest.
There will be no salvaging the relationship between Germany and Russia for a long time unless Putin gets replaced, even during winter. The absolute worst case scenario (the only one I see where Germany could have gone to Russia for gas) where people die from cold in their homes is never going to happen. Only yesterday BloombergNEF published a report saying Europe was ready for a complete cut off from Russian gas from October 1, and that includes commercial uses too which take up a big chunk and would obviously be redirected should there be any threat of people dying of cold.
> Russia almost certainly sabotaged a LNG terminal in Texas a few months ago
What evidence is there for this?
> It drives the wedge further between EU and Russia
On the contrary, should the EU find that the US was behind the explosions it would cause an absolute rift between the US-EU relationship, and in particular with Germany.
- christkv 4y agoExaggerated threats is standard soviet negotiation and the current leadership of Russia are creatures of that culture of negotiation. Blowing up their own gas line makes no sense as it destroys any possible leverage. The only ones that have anything to gain is the US or other associated allies.
- migro23 4y agoThe pipelines represented zero leverage at this point. No gas was being supplied by them and it would be politically untenable for any European country to buy it using these pipelines while Putin is still in charge. So as far as Putin was concerned (not Russia) these pipelines have zero value.
- pphysch 4y ago> I don't understand Have you genuinely attempted to understand the Russian perspective in all this? Like listened to what Moscow has been saying for the last decade? Have you ever read a single one of Putin's speeches, for example? Reading Anne Applebaum screeds in The Atlantic is not seeking understanding, by the way. How can you understand something if you don't attempt to understand it? > What evidence is there for this? No smoking gun, just cui bono + timing + no other plausible explanation has been put forth > On the contrary, should the EU find that the US was behind the explosions it would cause an absolute rift between the US-EU relationship, and in particular with Germany. If Europe had strong leadership. Even Merkel didn't really stand up to the spying revelations. The nuclear brinkmanship is textbook deterrence. Whenever Russia escalates, expect nuclear threats to deter a full-blown NATO entry.
- yakshaving_jgt 4y agoI've listened to plenty of Putin's speeches. He's a compulsive liar.
- pphysch 4y agoCan you give 1-3 examples of verifiable lies he's told?
- yakshaving_jgt 4y ago1. We are not going to invade Ukraine. 2. We did not invade Ukraine. 3. We are not at war with Ukraine. It takes a special kind of stupid to take Putin’s words seriously at this point. You know what, I’m actually disappointed you only asked for three. There’s a mountain of knee-slappers even just from this year. “We’ve lost nothing” after 50,000 of his soldiers died. It’s like the guy is a fucking five year old.
- eshch 4y agoWell, seems you don't give yourself a chance that your idea of Putin might be a mistake. Not a very comfortable position to think rationally.
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- yakshaving_jgt 4y agoI live in Odessa, Ukraine, and I have had to go to shelter from missile strikes and suicide drone attacks several times in just the past few days. I have also lived in Russia. It can be awkward when the Ukrainians see my old Russian visa in my passport when I cross the border. Where do you live? Ukraine? Russia? How close are you to this issue personally? Got any skin in the game? How many blatant lies are you going to ignore so your Nazi-apologist worldview isn’t compromised? How would you like to see this notification near enough every day, sometimes several times a day? В ОДЕССЕ И ОБЛАСТИ ОБЪЯВЛЕНА ВОЗДУШНАЯ ТРЕВОГА, ВСЕ В УКРЫТИЕ ЧИТАТЕЛИ СООБЩАЮТ, О ВЗРЫВАХ В ОДЕССЕ И ПРИГОРОДЕ. Уточняем информацию ПРЕДВАРИТЕЛЬНО ЕСТЬ СБИТИЕ 2-х РАКЕТ
- MomoXenosaga 4y agoDictatorships, especially ones run by a single guy, are known to act irrationally and make fatal miscalculations. The list is endless.
- bulbosaur123 4y agoPutin is employing Madman theory and you are falling for it.