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DataBorg – Knowledge Management Simplified
- crizzlenizzle 4y agoDataBorg extracts data from text and builds a knowledge graph from it.
- yawnxyz 4y agoThis looks super neat and incredibly useful, but the pricing is an absolute non-starter. I'll definitely use more than the free tier, and the next paid tier is 3000 API requests for $300 per MONTH? Am I alone in thinking this is way too expensive? "$300 per month for small projects" makes me feel like I'm extra poor or something.
- yamalight 4y agoHi, CTO of DataBorg here. Thanks for trying it out! We weren't quite ready to announce it to public just yet :) But hey, can't do much about it now. Pricing is still a placeholder basically. We want to be in line with industry (which is generally ~0.001$ per 1000 characters), so the final tiers would look something like this: Free - 3,000 credits Hobby - 50,000 credits / 49$ Pro - 300,000 credits / 299$ Business - 5,000,000 credits / 4999$ If you could email me privately at tim at databorg.ai, I could give you a free month of hobby tier as apologies for this mess :) edit: formatting
- always2slow 4y ago
- drooby 4y agoNot cool
- always2slow 4y agoI know right? These ̶l̶e̶e̶c̶h̶e̶s̶ unethical people using other peoples donated work to enrich themselves probably built their product and host their infrastructure with open source software. edit: yep looks like they did - https://huggingface.co/Babelscape/rebel-large https://huggingface.co/Babelscape/rebel-large cc-by-nc-sa-4.0 I would appreciate being unflagged since I was right on the money.
- drooby 4y agoDehumanizing terminology… This is not the kind of discussion that I like to see here. Again, not cool. People build proprietary closed source software using open source software. That’s not a new concept and completely ethical if one abides by the license and terms. If you don’t like their product, don’t use it, or go make your own.
- always2slow 4y ago"completely ethical if one abides by the license and terms." They aren't.
- alexvoda 4y agoSince CC licenses are so rare in software I never analized how the By, Nc and Sa clauses interact with SaaS. I'll have a read, but even if Sa copyleft does not apply (might be more like GPL than AGPL), By and Nc should probably apply. How did you identify that it is using yhe project you linked?
- yawnxyz 4y agoOoo that pricing is much better for indie hacking, thanks for explaining!
- yamalight 4y agoHappy to clear the misunderstanding :)
- lumost 4y agoCool product, I ran out of free requests before I could try the knowledge graph API. Out of curiosity have you thought about how someone would use this product? is the idea that you would use it to organize information in a CRM or similar product? One interesting use case I heard from an SMB real estate agent was that they needed an assistant to organize customer details, send emails, and make appointments. As one can imagine such a gig isn't great for the employee as there isn't much career path in the long run.
- newaccount2021 4y ago
- yamalight 4y agoHi, CTO of DataBorg here. Thanks for trying it out! We weren't quite ready to announce it to public just yet :) But hey, can't do much about it now. Pricing is still a bit of placeholder - there'll be 10x more credits on free tier soon-ish. There is quite a number of ways you could utilize named entity recognition (NER) and/or knowledge graphs (KGs). Ranging from extracting mentioned entities (to e.g. provide a quick access to all articles containing specific entity), to semantic search, to building a unified knowledge graph from text (unstructured) data you have. Cool thing about KGs is that they are based on open standards, so once you've built them out of the data you have - there's quite a few existing tools that (for the most part) work out-of-the-box with them.
- lumost 4y agoGot it, so the pitch is to provide a building block to help others build knowledge graphs. Do you see substantial uptake of knowledge graphs in industry? many of the examples I've seen historically either propose building a knowledge graph for the sake of a knowledge graph. Or work on a particular product which lends itself to knowledge graphs such as Question and Answering. Coming from someone who's worked in NLP for a number of years.
- yamalight 4y ago
- eurasiantiger 4y agoThe ”entity recognition” is absolutely useless. I tried it with a short text describing several entities and their relationships, yet it only spotted the word ”Users”. Not ”company”, not ”account”, not ”subscription”… not exactly impressed.
- yamalight 4y agoNamed entity recognition is typically used to locate and classify named entities in text. So you'd want to have a text that mentions specific things - companies, people, locations, etc. Abstract things like "account" or "subscription" don't technically fall under "named entities" category.
- eurasiantiger 4y agoSo what good is the algorithm for knowledge management in IT if it cannot handle abstraction?
- captaincaveman 4y agoCan you show an example of the text you was trying to extract entities from, interested to see the problem.
- eurasiantiger 4y agoI didn’t save it, but it was a generic specification text much like this one, but longer and more detailed and nuanced: Users have personal user accounts. Each user account can belong into multiple companies. Each company can assign users access rights to system services according to predefined roles. Each system service has a unique identifier as well as one or more service group identifiers and namespace identifiers.
- number6 4y agoIf I use the second prompt: "Try our Text To Knowledge Graph API" You have made too many requests. Please login or try again in ~10 seconds. I am Rate limited; maybe implement a cooldown on the submit button or something — feels a bit unfriendly on a landingpage
- yamalight 4y agoHi, CTO of DataBorg here. Thanks for trying it out! And apologies for the mess - we weren't quite ready to go public just yet :) Current rate-limiting is IP based, so it might be your shared IP public address messing things up. The next update we're rolling out over the next few days should make it less aggressive. If you login with your github / email - you should be able to try thing out without rate-limiting issues. And if 300 credits is too little - feel free to reach out to me at tim at databorg.ai - I'll set you up with a month of free Hobby tier (that'll be adding soon) :)
- number6 4y agoIam infact behind a Carrier-Grade-NAT so this could mess things up. Thanks for your reply!
- mchusma 4y agoJust noting the same thing here for me, I tried looking at an example and it failed with this error. I think I would not even hit the API for the examples, just show it. My 2 cents.
- yamalight 4y agoThanks for feedback! I'll indeed be adjusting examples to always return results as was suggested here.
- dominotw 4y agoI was able to try just one 'entity recognition' with some specious results. Was blocked by second request because i was making ' too many requests'. Bye.
- yamalight 4y agoHi, CTO of DataBorg here. Thanks for trying it out! And apologies for the mess - we weren't quite ready to go public just yet :) Current rate-limiting is IP based, so it might be your shared IP public address messing things up. The next update we're rolling out over the next few days should make it less aggressive. If you login with your github / email - you should be able to try thing out without rate-limiting issues. And if 300 credits is too little - feel free to reach out to me at tim at databorg.ai - I'll set you up with a month of free Hobby tier (that'll be adding soon) :)
- exotree 4y agoThis is really cool! Obviously some work to be done here, and I see the Hacker News bump may have come a bit early even for an MVP! The more accessible we can make this technology, the better. Best of luck on your journey, and I’ll be sure to check in!
- yamalight 4y agoThank you! :)
- Major_Grooves 4y agoOh boy. The ol "wasn't ready for HN" problemo. Good luck with that one! Cool product of course. ;)
- yamalight 4y agoThank you :D
- abusaidm 4y agoI got following error after trying the demos on the homepage “You have made too many requests. Please login or try again in a few seconds.” You might think about adding exception for your domain or the sample text you provide.
- yamalight 4y agoI've lowered the rate-limiting to 1s, so it should be less of an issue now. But I like the idea of adding examples to exceptions, thanks!
- always2slow 4y agoIs this built off of https://huggingface.co/Babelscape/rebel-large https://huggingface.co/Babelscape/rebel-large ? It's shared under cc-by-nc-sa-4.0 Doesn't nc stand for non-commercial? "Non commercial share alike - Redistribute, revise, remix using the same license as the original for non commercial use only". Looks like you're in violation of this license.
- detaro 4y agohow do you identify that it might be built off that?
- always2slow 4y agoThey forked it on their github which is linked from their landing page: https://github.com/orgs/DataBorg/repositories https://github.com/orgs/DataBorg/repositories edit: also https://github.com/DataBorg/wikineural https://github.com/DataBorg/wikineural which has a non-commercial license as well. Does HN like to see this kind of discussion here?
- yamalight 4y agoSame with Wikineural - it's a great project, but falls under "prior art". We have our own custom datasets / models / code for NER as well.
- always2slow 4y agoProve it. Edit: to be clear i'm not buying this for a second. Your 1st demo produces the exact same output as Babelscape/wikineural-multilingual-ner demo. If you built off of their model you need to abide by their license of non-commercial use and share-alike. I think you're a bad actor and I can't believe HN is leaving this up. Your company name also has negative implications: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg
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- detaro 4y agoGerman company, not even a basic imprint == red flag.
- yamalight 4y agoThat is something we'll be adding shortly. It's not there yet since we weren't quite ready to go public yet.
- mehh 4y agoLooks interesting, but no info on what the 4000 classes are, is the ontology available?
- yamalight 4y agoWe're using top level wikidata classes (you can see specific classes in JSON response). Full list is not published yet, but will be available in the near future.