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I think these concepts are orthogonal. You can have one year of experience 10 times by working 10 years in a single company and not self-actualising. One could

I think these concepts are orthogonal. You can have one year of experience 10 times by working 10 years in a single company and not self-actualising. One could argue an employee can stay too long at a job for the comfort and lack of ambition, coasting. Even at the executive level, staying long does not guarantee owning to one‘s mistakes, since there are many ways to deflect blame and many places where top of the org has little accountability.

hnaccount_rng 4y ago
Genuine question: How can you ever learn from feedback loops that take 2-3 years if you only ever stick around for a year?
- mejutoco 4y ago
  TLDR: you cannot. I am saying they are independent concepts. Basically, if you stay for one year it is not possible to learn the effects of longer projects (very valid point you mention). _But_, staying 10 years does not mean necessarily that you did learn from 2-3 years cycles. It will be _possible_. It could mean you are very good at deflecting, coasting, or playing golf with the right people, among many other possibilities. Unrelated: today is on the news that Unilever's CEO will be resigning after 3 years, which also seems short to me.
  - UncleMeat 4y ago
    Sure, there are plenty of people with decades of experience who haven't actually developed beyond a mid level engineer. Long stints aren't proof that somebody is skilled. The point is that short stints are a worrisome thing on resumes at some point. Not a hard line - if I've got a personal relationship with somebody or strong recommendations from people I deeply trust it changes things. But somebody coming into a leadership role needs a lot of time to even understand an organization well enough to propose changes, let alone see those changes through. "Some new director showed up, reorged us, and left" is a failure mode for organizations. It causes huge problems and needs to be avoided.
    - romdev 4y ago
      That used to be called a 'seagull manager' - one who flies in, sh*ts on everything and flies away.
  - thrwyoilarticle 4y ago
    >Unrelated: today is on the news that Unilever's CEO will be resigning after 3 years, which also seems short to me. Wait til you hear about Australian Prime Ministers

hnaccount_rng 4y ago

Genuine question: How can you ever learn from feedback loops that take 2-3 years if you only ever stick around for a year?

mejutoco 4y ago
TLDR: you cannot. I am saying they are independent concepts. Basically, if you stay for one year it is not possible to learn the effects of longer projects (very valid point you mention). _But_, staying 10 years does not mean necessarily that you did learn from 2-3 years cycles. It will be _possible_. It could mean you are very good at deflecting, coasting, or playing golf with the right people, among many other possibilities. Unrelated: today is on the news that Unilever's CEO will be resigning after 3 years, which also seems short to me.
- UncleMeat 4y ago
  Sure, there are plenty of people with decades of experience who haven't actually developed beyond a mid level engineer. Long stints aren't proof that somebody is skilled. The point is that short stints are a worrisome thing on resumes at some point. Not a hard line - if I've got a personal relationship with somebody or strong recommendations from people I deeply trust it changes things. But somebody coming into a leadership role needs a lot of time to even understand an organization well enough to propose changes, let alone see those changes through. "Some new director showed up, reorged us, and left" is a failure mode for organizations. It causes huge problems and needs to be avoided.
  - romdev 4y ago
    That used to be called a 'seagull manager' - one who flies in, sh*ts on everything and flies away.
- thrwyoilarticle 4y ago
  >Unrelated: today is on the news that Unilever's CEO will be resigning after 3 years, which also seems short to me. Wait til you hear about Australian Prime Ministers