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A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
There are biases depending on the 'side' of US political spectrum a given medium happens to be supporting. In this case, the best you can do is to account for inherent bias and ingest the information accordingly.
baskethead 4y ago
This is patently false. Iran has been called part of the Axis of Evil since Reagan era. Iran has been reported on as evil for decades. This current set of protests have gotten a lot of media attention. The reason why Khashoggi gets so much attention is because reporters love nothing more than to report about themselves. There are plenty of other people who were killed by Saudi Arabia that got buried because the media doesn't care.
- miracle2k 4y ago
  He was a journalist, but he was also working for the Washington Post in particular, and he was an US resident, and the details of this murder where particularly gruesome. No need for the jab about the media here.
  - baskethead 4y ago
    The jab about the media is absolutely warranted. How many women are found dismembered in the US almost every day? There was just a case last week in NYC. The media doesn't pick it up, but with Khashhoggi they did, because they care the most about journalists. I'm not saying that it wasn't horrific what happened to him, but the question was why was there so much focus on his case, and the reason is because the media loves to report on themselves over anything else.
    - paulryanrogers 4y ago
      When a foreign government is suspected of dismembering a US resident it has more geo-political implications. Despite the fact that every grusome crime deserves equal treatment from the justice system.
      - pessimizer 4y ago
        The reason that is true about Saudi Arabia is because nothing else that Saudi Arabia does gets any reaction except tacit approval from the US, and they paid absolutely no price for Kashoggi, either. Right now, the US is screaming about the veil right after recriminalizing abortion. Meanwhile: Saudi woman given 34-year prison sentence for using Twitter https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/16/saudi-woman-given-34-year-prison-sentence-for-using-twitter https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/16/saudi-woman-gi... Saudi woman jailed for 45 years over social media use, says group https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/30/saudi-woman-given-jail-sentence-for-social-media-use-says-human-rights-group https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/30/saudi-woman-gi... Saudi Arabia is imprisoning women while the rest of the world is not paying attention https://theconversation.com/saudi-arabia-is-imprisoning-women-while-the-rest-of-the-world-is-not-paying-attention-189928 https://theconversation.com/saudi-arabia-is-imprisoning-wome... These stories get a little attention from the press ostensibly because they're about speech, but knowing modern journalism it's really because they are about Twitter. Women getting executed for infidelity? Not news.
    - pc86 4y ago
      Was the woman dismembered in NYC allegedly killed by foreign state officials after being lured somewhere? I agree with your broader point that reports generally like to report on themselves when possible, but pretending the Khashoggi assassination (because that's what it was) isn't particularly newsworthy is kind of silly.
  - retcore 4y ago
    Also cousin of Dodi Fayed and second cousin to Adnan Kashoggi.
Alir3z4 4y ago
Indeed there's a bias and I promise you, it's not in favor of Iran (particularly Iran) Any news has a usage for whatever political agenda there is in the US administration. If country X is going to help the administration, the bad news will fade out, when country x is suppose to be shown in bad light, all the dirt will come back to the surface non stop on every possible news channel.
- Regnore 4y ago
  My wife is Iranian and she says that something people in Iran fail to understand about the US is that the US media is not controlled by the US government. I’ve wondered if it stems from the fact that Iran media is strictly controlled by the Iran government to the point where they are indistinguishable. I can assure you in the US this is not the case. > Any news has a usage for whatever political agenda there is in the US administration. If the previous administration was not sufficient proof to you that this is clearly wrong, then what proof could dissuade you?
  - MarkPNeyer 4y ago
    What if your belief is that “the US administration” is an inertial beaucracy that carries on regardless of who gets elected? Obama ran on ending wars in Iraq and afghanistan, and then he got in and those options disappeared. Trump did similarly. So what would it look like if the US had been run for decades primarily by unelected agencies, and the us media served them, not whoever happened to get elected?
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    - panick21_ 4y ago
      > Obama ran on ending wars in Iraq and afghanistan He mostly ran on ending Iraq, he called Afghanistan 'the good war'. The reality is that these politicians could do far more but they just don't care enough about it. For Trump for example the America First people in the administration were pushing that, but those people were kicked out and Trump in order to get along with the party just let them do their thing in Afganistan. Obama was the same, in order to get out of Iraq he authorized the surge in Afghanistan. The 'deep state' you are talking about exists, but they are supported by lots of people in congress and lobbies and the president, whatever he ran on has to negotiate with those interests to get anything done.
nemothekid 4y ago
In favor of Iran? Did you forget that right before the pandemic Trump assassinated a military general?
VictorPath 4y ago
> Saudi Arabia murdered Khashoggi - one man - and it was a prominent story for years If your country dismembers a Washington Post reporter inside a consulate in Turkey, and Turkey releases audio of the murder, you're probably going to wind up with some press coverage of this in the United States, at least in the Washington Post. The idea that the US media is biased toward Iran is kind of bonkers. The US media may be biased about the importance of US issues in US/Iran relations. Iran is less threatening to the US than it may be for other countries.
JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> Why doesn't that get the attention of eg Tiananmen Square? Tianamen Square would have been forgotten if immediately followed by a global pandemic. With respect to Riyadh vs. Tehran, the former has political relevance in America. Horrible things happening in Iran isn’t domestically relevant in the same way since there aren’t any pro-Tehran public figures who would face pressure from that news.
pessimizer 4y ago
> genocided thousands of civilians by shooting them in the streets during the protests right before the pandemic, I'm going to ignore the word "genocide" here, because I'm assuming you're just using this to mean that they were killings that you really disapprove of. But are you saying that Iran murdered thousands of protestors without providing a link? And is everybody else just going with that?
panick21_ 4y ago
The exact opposite is true. Iran gets the short end of the stick in the media. Just look at how the nuclear treaty was covered. Its was tragic. Or how Iran involvement in Syrian civil war and ISIS war got covered. Depending on US media you would think ISIS and Iran worked together when in effect Iran was fighting ISIS when the US was still mostly ignoring it or was broadly supportive of the trends they represented.

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There are biases depending on the 'side' of US political spectrum a given medium happens to be supporting. In this case, the best you can do is to account for inherent bias and ingest the information accordingly.

baskethead 4y ago

This is patently false. Iran has been called part of the Axis of Evil since Reagan era. Iran has been reported on as evil for decades. This current set of protests have gotten a lot of media attention. The reason why Khashoggi gets so much attention is because reporters love nothing more than to report about themselves. There are plenty of other people who were killed by Saudi Arabia that got buried because the media doesn't care.

miracle2k 4y ago
He was a journalist, but he was also working for the Washington Post in particular, and he was an US resident, and the details of this murder where particularly gruesome. No need for the jab about the media here.
- baskethead 4y ago
  The jab about the media is absolutely warranted. How many women are found dismembered in the US almost every day? There was just a case last week in NYC. The media doesn't pick it up, but with Khashhoggi they did, because they care the most about journalists. I'm not saying that it wasn't horrific what happened to him, but the question was why was there so much focus on his case, and the reason is because the media loves to report on themselves over anything else.
  - paulryanrogers 4y ago
    When a foreign government is suspected of dismembering a US resident it has more geo-political implications. Despite the fact that every grusome crime deserves equal treatment from the justice system.
    - pessimizer 4y ago
      The reason that is true about Saudi Arabia is because nothing else that Saudi Arabia does gets any reaction except tacit approval from the US, and they paid absolutely no price for Kashoggi, either. Right now, the US is screaming about the veil right after recriminalizing abortion. Meanwhile: Saudi woman given 34-year prison sentence for using Twitter https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/16/saudi-woman-given-34-year-prison-sentence-for-using-twitter https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/16/saudi-woman-gi... Saudi woman jailed for 45 years over social media use, says group https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/30/saudi-woman-given-jail-sentence-for-social-media-use-says-human-rights-group https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/30/saudi-woman-gi... Saudi Arabia is imprisoning women while the rest of the world is not paying attention https://theconversation.com/saudi-arabia-is-imprisoning-women-while-the-rest-of-the-world-is-not-paying-attention-189928 https://theconversation.com/saudi-arabia-is-imprisoning-wome... These stories get a little attention from the press ostensibly because they're about speech, but knowing modern journalism it's really because they are about Twitter. Women getting executed for infidelity? Not news.
  - pc86 4y ago
    Was the woman dismembered in NYC allegedly killed by foreign state officials after being lured somewhere? I agree with your broader point that reports generally like to report on themselves when possible, but pretending the Khashoggi assassination (because that's what it was) isn't particularly newsworthy is kind of silly.
- retcore 4y ago
  Also cousin of Dodi Fayed and second cousin to Adnan Kashoggi.

Alir3z4 4y ago

Indeed there's a bias and I promise you, it's not in favor of Iran (particularly Iran) Any news has a usage for whatever political agenda there is in the US administration. If country X is going to help the administration, the bad news will fade out, when country x is suppose to be shown in bad light, all the dirt will come back to the surface non stop on every possible news channel.

Regnore 4y ago
My wife is Iranian and she says that something people in Iran fail to understand about the US is that the US media is not controlled by the US government. I’ve wondered if it stems from the fact that Iran media is strictly controlled by the Iran government to the point where they are indistinguishable. I can assure you in the US this is not the case. > Any news has a usage for whatever political agenda there is in the US administration. If the previous administration was not sufficient proof to you that this is clearly wrong, then what proof could dissuade you?
- MarkPNeyer 4y ago
  What if your belief is that “the US administration” is an inertial beaucracy that carries on regardless of who gets elected? Obama ran on ending wars in Iraq and afghanistan, and then he got in and those options disappeared. Trump did similarly. So what would it look like if the US had been run for decades primarily by unelected agencies, and the us media served them, not whoever happened to get elected?
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - panick21_ 4y ago
    > Obama ran on ending wars in Iraq and afghanistan He mostly ran on ending Iraq, he called Afghanistan 'the good war'. The reality is that these politicians could do far more but they just don't care enough about it. For Trump for example the America First people in the administration were pushing that, but those people were kicked out and Trump in order to get along with the party just let them do their thing in Afganistan. Obama was the same, in order to get out of Iraq he authorized the surge in Afghanistan. The 'deep state' you are talking about exists, but they are supported by lots of people in congress and lobbies and the president, whatever he ran on has to negotiate with those interests to get anything done.

nemothekid 4y ago

In favor of Iran? Did you forget that right before the pandemic Trump assassinated a military general?

VictorPath 4y ago

> Saudi Arabia murdered Khashoggi - one man - and it was a prominent story for years If your country dismembers a Washington Post reporter inside a consulate in Turkey, and Turkey releases audio of the murder, you're probably going to wind up with some press coverage of this in the United States, at least in the Washington Post. The idea that the US media is biased toward Iran is kind of bonkers. The US media may be biased about the importance of US issues in US/Iran relations. Iran is less threatening to the US than it may be for other countries.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> Why doesn't that get the attention of eg Tiananmen Square? Tianamen Square would have been forgotten if immediately followed by a global pandemic. With respect to Riyadh vs. Tehran, the former has political relevance in America. Horrible things happening in Iran isn’t domestically relevant in the same way since there aren’t any pro-Tehran public figures who would face pressure from that news.

pessimizer 4y ago

> genocided thousands of civilians by shooting them in the streets during the protests right before the pandemic, I'm going to ignore the word "genocide" here, because I'm assuming you're just using this to mean that they were killings that you really disapprove of. But are you saying that Iran murdered thousands of protestors without providing a link? And is everybody else just going with that?

panick21_ 4y ago

The exact opposite is true. Iran gets the short end of the stick in the media. Just look at how the nuclear treaty was covered. Its was tragic. Or how Iran involvement in Syrian civil war and ISIS war got covered. Depending on US media you would think ISIS and Iran worked together when in effect Iran was fighting ISIS when the US was still mostly ignoring it or was broadly supportive of the trends they represented.