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As a Swede that just went though an election with electricity prices being discussed this is very interesting. Prices in Sweden are at an all time high. I don’
by maCDzP 4y ago
As a Swede that just went though an election with electricity prices being discussed this is very interesting. Prices in Sweden are at an all time high.
I don’t remember this analysis being talked about. The problem was cast mostly as a domestic issue - that’s my take at least.
In hindsight I think it was only the left that had a solution that maybe would address this for Sweden at least. They wanted to have domestic and EU-pricing.
Then the prices for electricity in EU would become so high that Italy would be forced to act?
- philjohn 4y agoAlways be wary a political party promising solutions to situations outside their control ...
- rasz 4y agoIts the other way around. countries relying on gas for electricity like Italy are the source of EU problem right now.
- Gud 4y agoThe left created this mess to begin with. They shut down multiple functioning nuclear power plants in the south of Sweden where the energy is needed the most.
- jopsen 4y ago> They wanted to have domestic and EU-pricing. But would it be legal? That kind of protectionism would definitely run counter to the ideals if the EU common market. It's hard to know what EU countries might do, but during covid the EU avoided protectionism when it came to vaccines. Of course, it could be different this time.
- rightbyte 4y ago> It's hard to know what EU countries might do, but during covid the EU avoided protectionism when it came to vaccines. There was A LOT of backstabbing in the beginning regarding medical supplies. Landlocked countries got screwed in transit. Even Red Cross aid was confiscated. Thankfully the panic only lasted about one two weeks or something.
- jopsen 4y agoYeah, collaboration around covid was perhaps a bit easier to force, because no country could do a vaccine on its own (including production, packaging, etc). But in this case Sweden and Norway probably could do electricity without supplies from the European grid. But they might not want to be as unreliable partners as Russia turned out to be... If you void contracts and begin backstabbing when things get hard, people won't trust you in the future.
- maCDzP 4y agoGood question – I agree it would run counter the common market. If I remember correctly that was one of the main arguments against the left's solution. The counter argument was that other countries are already doing this or planning on doing it. I believe some parties in Italy has talked about putting a price cap on electricity and gas. But the same applies to them – is it legal? It doesn't create good incentives when Sweden exports electricity to Italy (and others of course) that the Italian government would step in and put a price cap. I guess the Italian government will spot the difference – though lending from the EU? Same would would apply for the left in Sweden I guess. Setting a domestic price cap and market price on exports. What a mess.
- jopsen 4y agoAlso, if there really is s scarcity of electricity, then every country subsidizing it won't help. That said, to some extend it might just be more expensive LNG that dictates the price -- maybe there is sufficient electricity at a high price point.
- krageon 4y agoIsolating your country is a measure that only makes sense when you view problems as something someone else makes, with solutions being something you primarily provide. It is unhealthy and bad for cooperation to think this way, and a "left" that proposes this is not very left at all. It is a solution that doesn't focus on the people: it focuses on the money and in/out groups.