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"Contrary to popular belief, birth control pills account for less than 1 percent of the estrogens found in the nation's drinking water" https://www.sciencedail

"Contrary to popular belief, birth control pills account for less than 1 percent of the estrogens found in the nation's drinking water" https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208125813.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208125813.h... As for "hookup culture" that sounds like something largely made up by conservative pundents and you are describing it as a real thing.

rhodorhoades 4y ago
Wtf?… this is the most alarming statistic I’ve ever heard. Why is their estrogen in our drinking water, why does birth control put estrogen in our drinking water and where the fuck is the other 99% coming from?
yucky 4y ago
>Source: American Chemical Society Yikes. Meanwhile, nobody has been able to replicate those results in the 10+ years since then, I wonder why. >As for "hookup culture" that sounds like something largely made up by conservative pundents and you are describing it as a real thing. Many liberals don't think glorifying hedonism is a good thing. I guess I'm open to hear the argument though, so what is the advantage for society to promote hook-up culture? What good comes from that vs the alternative?
- staticman2 4y ago
  I noticed you just claimed nobody could replicate the results but provided no evidence for your claim that either 1) estrogen in the water is in unhealthy levels due to birth control or 2) nobody could replicate the results. I think it's pretty clear you don't care about scientific evidence but think women having consensual, nonreproductive sex is icky, so very much want it to be true that birth control is poison, and don't really care about the truth level of what you are posting as long as it feels true. As for your other point, I already said there's no such thing as hookup culture, that's just an outlandish stereotype you want to box people into.
  - yucky 4y ago
    >I already said there's no such thing as hookup culture lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hookup_culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hookup_culture I said I was open to hearing the advantages of promoting hedonism in society. And that applies to men or women. What are they?
    - staticman2 4y ago
      Consentual sex is not hedonism. I don't know how to explain to you that the meaning of life isn't to make babies, and that it's morally wrong to optimize society for making babies by treating women as chattel, banning birth control, censoring art work, screaming all day about birth control being poison, or whatever it is you think you are fighting for.
      - yucky 4y ago
        >Consentual sex is not hedonism. Agreed 100%. Consensual sex is awesome (the only good kind!), but we're talking about hook-up culture specifically though. And I never said anything about banning birth control, there are many different types of birth control. The ones that add estrogen to our water supply are problematic though.[0] As an aside, what do you think is causing the massive drop in fertility and semen counts in western men?[1] It's one thing to handwave away things you don't like, but we know semen counts have never been this low, so why do you think that is? [0] - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26454754/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26454754/ [1] - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/health/male-sperm-count-problem.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/health/male-sperm-count-p...
        staticman2 4y ago
        I'm still waiting for your evidence that the study I cited above showing estrogen was a minute presence in drinking water was one that nobody could replicate. That seems a lot more on point than something something bass? If the medical community has no consensus about the cause of semen decline, how the fuck should you or I know the cause? Linking to something about bass doesn't really suggest to me you have a basic understanding of the facts. Did it occur to you bass don't live in the same environments humans do and they may have a few anatomical differences than humans? I think you would benefit from less original thinking on the matter and more sticking with what experts say on medical matters in general. Here's a mayo clinic article on low sperm count, for example: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/low-sperm-count/symptoms-causes/syc-20374585 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/low-sperm-cou... It has a section on environmental causes none of which include estrogen.

rhodorhoades 4y ago

Wtf?… this is the most alarming statistic I’ve ever heard. Why is their estrogen in our drinking water, why does birth control put estrogen in our drinking water and where the fuck is the other 99% coming from?

yucky 4y ago

>Source: American Chemical Society Yikes. Meanwhile, nobody has been able to replicate those results in the 10+ years since then, I wonder why. >As for "hookup culture" that sounds like something largely made up by conservative pundents and you are describing it as a real thing. Many liberals don't think glorifying hedonism is a good thing. I guess I'm open to hear the argument though, so what is the advantage for society to promote hook-up culture? What good comes from that vs the alternative?

staticman2 4y ago
I noticed you just claimed nobody could replicate the results but provided no evidence for your claim that either 1) estrogen in the water is in unhealthy levels due to birth control or 2) nobody could replicate the results. I think it's pretty clear you don't care about scientific evidence but think women having consensual, nonreproductive sex is icky, so very much want it to be true that birth control is poison, and don't really care about the truth level of what you are posting as long as it feels true. As for your other point, I already said there's no such thing as hookup culture, that's just an outlandish stereotype you want to box people into.
- yucky 4y ago
  >I already said there's no such thing as hookup culture lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hookup_culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hookup_culture I said I was open to hearing the advantages of promoting hedonism in society. And that applies to men or women. What are they?
  - staticman2 4y ago
    Consentual sex is not hedonism. I don't know how to explain to you that the meaning of life isn't to make babies, and that it's morally wrong to optimize society for making babies by treating women as chattel, banning birth control, censoring art work, screaming all day about birth control being poison, or whatever it is you think you are fighting for.
    - yucky 4y ago
      >Consentual sex is not hedonism. Agreed 100%. Consensual sex is awesome (the only good kind!), but we're talking about hook-up culture specifically though. And I never said anything about banning birth control, there are many different types of birth control. The ones that add estrogen to our water supply are problematic though.[0] As an aside, what do you think is causing the massive drop in fertility and semen counts in western men?[1] It's one thing to handwave away things you don't like, but we know semen counts have never been this low, so why do you think that is? [0] - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26454754/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26454754/ [1] - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/health/male-sperm-count-problem.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/health/male-sperm-count-p...
      - staticman2 4y ago
        I'm still waiting for your evidence that the study I cited above showing estrogen was a minute presence in drinking water was one that nobody could replicate. That seems a lot more on point than something something bass? If the medical community has no consensus about the cause of semen decline, how the fuck should you or I know the cause? Linking to something about bass doesn't really suggest to me you have a basic understanding of the facts. Did it occur to you bass don't live in the same environments humans do and they may have a few anatomical differences than humans? I think you would benefit from less original thinking on the matter and more sticking with what experts say on medical matters in general. Here's a mayo clinic article on low sperm count, for example: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/low-sperm-count/symptoms-causes/syc-20374585 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/low-sperm-cou... It has a section on environmental causes none of which include estrogen.