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Regular people are fed up. If you try and limit their quality of life there will be an escalation of violence. We are already seeing the byproducts of lockdowns

Regular people are fed up. If you try and limit their quality of life there will be an escalation of violence. We are already seeing the byproducts of lockdowns. As a regular citizen seeing people like Bloomberg, Di Caprio and Musk talk and tweet about climate change from their G650ER only makes me want to pollute more just to go against them, because what they preach can't possibly be good for me or society. Their history of sociopathic behavior speaks for itself. They want to prevent any form of wealth redistribution, so they hope to move the issue from wealth inequality (which would see them as a target) towards something like climate change which is essentially a false flag on a planetary scale to prop up the confidence in our political and business leaders (and thus prevent redistribution of wealth and power). Somethin akin to an alien invasion which would rally people together. I am not having it, every billionaire is a policy failure. If we cannot even address such policy failures which are relatively easy to solve, then thinking about mitigating , adapting and ultimately solving climate change is pure utopia. Hence it doesn't warrant our attention.

rc_mob 4y ago
Laws are the only way to fix this. Leonardo Dicaprio riding a bike to his next vacation does not fix global warming.
- Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
  Extreme wealth inequality is much easier to solve than Global Warming. It's a political problem , global warming requires politics + policing + enforcement + technical inventions + technical application. I'll worry about climate change once extreme wealth inequality has been solved. It's pointless to worry about it beforehand given how they are on a completely different scale of complexity. You gotta crawl before you can walk. If you can't even crawl then there is no point worrying about your gait looks like.
  - germandiago 4y ago
    Wealth inequality is very difficult to fix based on historic data: when you bury the productive on taxes they will just stop working or run away. I must say I care about ppl being very poor but not about that obsession about being equal. We cannot pretend we are all symmetric. We are not. Only under the law. People must hace chances, not inifinite unconditional support because yes.
    - Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
      > when you bury the productive on taxes they will just stop working or run away Big fortunes in excess of 1B are not made by working or salary. They are made by winning the IPO lottery. Or winning the stock market lottery or the real estate lottery. Government takes half of the PoweBall which is a relatively minor sum compared to the figures we are talking about when adding up all billionaires worth. It's only fair that the government also take half of all (and I mean all sorts) of lottery jackpots and for previous winnings everything in excess of one billion.
      - germandiago 4y ago
        > Big fortunes in excess of 1B are not made by working or salary. They are made by winning the IPO lottery. Or winning the stock market lottery or the real estate lottery. And those companies add value, otherwise the stocks value will be zero. > It's only fair that the government also take half of all (and I mean all sorts) of lottery jackpots and for previous winnings everything in excess of one billion. No, it is not fair to take money away from people. It is not a matter of poor or rich. In any case you take stolen property or money. Not money they made. That's an entirely different thing. Via regulations or collusion should be also considered stealing to some extent IMHO.
        Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
        > And those companies add value, otherwise the stocks value will be zero. Those riches were made by being the captain of a plane which had an incredible luck to have a once in a lifetime 250mph tailwind. And now people who are idiots think the captain is a God, whereas it's just blind luck and once in a lifetime tailwind. If you had any other person piloting the plane it would have been the same. That's unjust enrichement and society has always punished that, and it's exemplified by the PowerBall lotter where the Govt. takes half or even more. If you took all the stock owned by billionaires and transfered them to Pension funds nothing will change. Apple would still make iPhones and Microsoft would still make Windows, Google would still make Android etc.
orwin 4y ago
That's why "Environmentalism without Class Struggle is gardening" (Chico Mendes)

rc_mob 4y ago

Laws are the only way to fix this. Leonardo Dicaprio riding a bike to his next vacation does not fix global warming.

Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
Extreme wealth inequality is much easier to solve than Global Warming. It's a political problem , global warming requires politics + policing + enforcement + technical inventions + technical application. I'll worry about climate change once extreme wealth inequality has been solved. It's pointless to worry about it beforehand given how they are on a completely different scale of complexity. You gotta crawl before you can walk. If you can't even crawl then there is no point worrying about your gait looks like.
- germandiago 4y ago
  Wealth inequality is very difficult to fix based on historic data: when you bury the productive on taxes they will just stop working or run away. I must say I care about ppl being very poor but not about that obsession about being equal. We cannot pretend we are all symmetric. We are not. Only under the law. People must hace chances, not inifinite unconditional support because yes.
  - Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
    > when you bury the productive on taxes they will just stop working or run away Big fortunes in excess of 1B are not made by working or salary. They are made by winning the IPO lottery. Or winning the stock market lottery or the real estate lottery. Government takes half of the PoweBall which is a relatively minor sum compared to the figures we are talking about when adding up all billionaires worth. It's only fair that the government also take half of all (and I mean all sorts) of lottery jackpots and for previous winnings everything in excess of one billion.
    - germandiago 4y ago
      > Big fortunes in excess of 1B are not made by working or salary. They are made by winning the IPO lottery. Or winning the stock market lottery or the real estate lottery. And those companies add value, otherwise the stocks value will be zero. > It's only fair that the government also take half of all (and I mean all sorts) of lottery jackpots and for previous winnings everything in excess of one billion. No, it is not fair to take money away from people. It is not a matter of poor or rich. In any case you take stolen property or money. Not money they made. That's an entirely different thing. Via regulations or collusion should be also considered stealing to some extent IMHO.
      - Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
        > And those companies add value, otherwise the stocks value will be zero. Those riches were made by being the captain of a plane which had an incredible luck to have a once in a lifetime 250mph tailwind. And now people who are idiots think the captain is a God, whereas it's just blind luck and once in a lifetime tailwind. If you had any other person piloting the plane it would have been the same. That's unjust enrichement and society has always punished that, and it's exemplified by the PowerBall lotter where the Govt. takes half or even more. If you took all the stock owned by billionaires and transfered them to Pension funds nothing will change. Apple would still make iPhones and Microsoft would still make Windows, Google would still make Android etc.

orwin 4y ago

That's why "Environmentalism without Class Struggle is gardening" (Chico Mendes)