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Neal Stephenson’s Lamina1 drops white paper on building the open metaverse

20 points by gman83 4y ago

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ncr100 4y ago
"The sins included: - Digital disruption, followed by corporate opportunism, reset the value of creative IP and negatively impacted the creative process - Agencies and intermediaries siphoned revenue from makers - Data was harvested, sold, commoditized and misused - Naivety and convenience were exploited - Family photos became session bait for an insatiable ad model" Sounds like these would be good to correct. I like it.
- mattwilsonn888 4y ago
  Yep. I know anything web3 or metaverse will be met with immense skepticism. I just hope that skepticism either lampoons closed protocols/software (if it is closed) or is targeted at specific flaws, rather than the typical gut reactive dismissal which is about as deep as the speculators looking to dump bags.
_aavaa_ 4y ago
Where is the actual white paper? I couldn't find anything on the site. Which is an instant red flag for me for a website >:( Edit: link to download the PDF https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1021522007122251776/1022894511501873173/Lamina1_Whitepaper_1.0.pdf https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1021522007122251776/1...
- rsfern 4y ago
  Found a link to it from their (Lamina1) Twitter post. But it seems like you have to join their discord to read it Edit: link: https://twitter.com/Lamina1official/status/1573353472539463681 https://twitter.com/Lamina1official/status/15733534725394636...
  - emikulic 4y ago
    The absolute state of the free and open web in 2022.
gnarbarian 4y ago
having trouble locating the actual white paper. does anyone have a link?
mprime1 4y ago
I would love for this project to succeed, I’m a huge fan of N.S. and implicitly trust anything he’s involved in. I’m leaving this comment in hope to look back at it in a few years and be proved utterly wrong. This white paper seems like the usual web3 pie in the sky nothing-burger: Generate hype, cash in, keep repeating as long as it works, then abandon. There’s enough meat on the fire that it would take 20 successful companies a decade to implement a subset of what Lamina1 target in the near future. One example that stands out to me in the sea of red flags: > On-chain in-band messaging on Lamina1 is an area of active research, with an eye on major areas of innovation. I read this (in context) as: our chain will be so fast it’ll be used for everything, including real time gaming events. To be fair, a couple of paragraphs later: > State changes must be synchronized among all participants and serialized to some kind of storage. A combination of on-chain and other decentralized services can achieve this. Details on vague claims like this is what I was looking for in this paper, but there’s none. I wish all the best to the Lamina1 team, but as things stands today, this looks to me like just another crypto grift. [for context: I have ~20 years of experience with consensus protocols, cloud infrastructure, P2P systems, and, more recently, blockchains. I despise the sorry state of cryptocurrencies as much as the next HN user]

20 points by gman83 4y ago

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"The sins included: - Digital disruption, followed by corporate opportunism, reset the value of creative IP and negatively impacted the creative process - Agencies and intermediaries siphoned revenue from makers - Data was harvested, sold, commoditized and misused - Naivety and convenience were exploited - Family photos became session bait for an insatiable ad model" Sounds like these would be good to correct. I like it.

mattwilsonn888 4y ago
Yep. I know anything web3 or metaverse will be met with immense skepticism. I just hope that skepticism either lampoons closed protocols/software (if it is closed) or is targeted at specific flaws, rather than the typical gut reactive dismissal which is about as deep as the speculators looking to dump bags.

_aavaa_ 4y ago

Where is the actual white paper? I couldn't find anything on the site. Which is an instant red flag for me for a website >:( Edit: link to download the PDF https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1021522007122251776/1022894511501873173/Lamina1_Whitepaper_1.0.pdf https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1021522007122251776/1...

rsfern 4y ago
Found a link to it from their (Lamina1) Twitter post. But it seems like you have to join their discord to read it Edit: link: https://twitter.com/Lamina1official/status/1573353472539463681 https://twitter.com/Lamina1official/status/15733534725394636...
- emikulic 4y ago
  The absolute state of the free and open web in 2022.

gnarbarian 4y ago

having trouble locating the actual white paper. does anyone have a link?

mprime1 4y ago

I would love for this project to succeed, I’m a huge fan of N.S. and implicitly trust anything he’s involved in. I’m leaving this comment in hope to look back at it in a few years and be proved utterly wrong. This white paper seems like the usual web3 pie in the sky nothing-burger: Generate hype, cash in, keep repeating as long as it works, then abandon. There’s enough meat on the fire that it would take 20 successful companies a decade to implement a subset of what Lamina1 target in the near future. One example that stands out to me in the sea of red flags: > On-chain in-band messaging on Lamina1 is an area of active research, with an eye on major areas of innovation. I read this (in context) as: our chain will be so fast it’ll be used for everything, including real time gaming events. To be fair, a couple of paragraphs later: > State changes must be synchronized among all participants and serialized to some kind of storage. A combination of on-chain and other decentralized services can achieve this. Details on vague claims like this is what I was looking for in this paper, but there’s none. I wish all the best to the Lamina1 team, but as things stands today, this looks to me like just another crypto grift. [for context: I have ~20 years of experience with consensus protocols, cloud infrastructure, P2P systems, and, more recently, blockchains. I despise the sorry state of cryptocurrencies as much as the next HN user]