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You can't eat software. You can't wear it or build a house with it. You could maybe make any of those things "more efficient" but you can't _replace_ them with

You can't eat software. You can't wear it or build a house with it. You could maybe make any of those things "more efficient" but you can't _replace_ them with software. So there's some "theoretical limit" to the value you can create with it. My fear is that we have overshot that line by a wide margin, and the market is getting wise to it.

tracerbulletx 4y ago
Well I mean if society collapses it won't be worth much, but as long as that doesn't happen making things "more efficient" is critical to supporting a planet with 8 billion people.
jimbokun 4y ago
Software was played a role in automating all those things, and will continue to do so.
nelsondev 4y ago
You can listen to it (music), you can look at it (art), you can entertain people with it (video games), you can inform others with it (media). These aren’t the base level on Maslow’s pyramid of needs (food water shelter), but software can solve/facilitate the solving of higher level problems of human existence.
chrisco255 4y ago
You can't eat any kind of service. There's not really a theoretical limit to the value that can be created with software. You could even create software that powers robotics & machinery which generates food (https://www.deere.co.uk/en/agriculture/future-of-farming/ https://www.deere.co.uk/en/agriculture/future-of-farming/) or housing (https://www.iconbuild.com/ https://www.iconbuild.com/).
- dccoolgai 4y ago
  That's exactly my point, though: software doesn't really "power" any if those things. They are powered by solar/gas/etc. And the robotics that do the actual agriculture tasks are created in a factory. The value software brings has a hard upper bound related to those things.
  - chrisco255 4y ago
    They are created in a factory that itself is powered by automation and robotics, that enables teams of hundreds to do the work that would formerly take tens of thousands. As far as energy goes, software also helps to optimize oil exploration, and software is clearly involved in optimizing solar efficiency and production of solar cells. It's also involved in nuclear facilities, power distribution networks, charging stations, grid management systems, etc. The limits of software haven't even begun to be tapped yet.
- fuzzfactor 4y ago
  >You can't eat any kind of service. But it's possible to be in the vast network of services that people can not eat very well without.
dasil003 4y ago
Sure software is not generally essential. But on the other hand, do we really need more stuff?
dnissley 4y ago
You can't eat plumbing either -- this point is nonsense.
- dccoolgai 4y ago
  But every "Jim and sons" plumbing company doesn't get half a billion dollars in VC funding. I didn't say "software has no value" but it's certainly overestimated, especially against other services like plumbing.

tracerbulletx 4y ago

Well I mean if society collapses it won't be worth much, but as long as that doesn't happen making things "more efficient" is critical to supporting a planet with 8 billion people.

jimbokun 4y ago

Software was played a role in automating all those things, and will continue to do so.

nelsondev 4y ago

You can listen to it (music), you can look at it (art), you can entertain people with it (video games), you can inform others with it (media). These aren’t the base level on Maslow’s pyramid of needs (food water shelter), but software can solve/facilitate the solving of higher level problems of human existence.

chrisco255 4y ago

You can't eat any kind of service. There's not really a theoretical limit to the value that can be created with software. You could even create software that powers robotics & machinery which generates food (https://www.deere.co.uk/en/agriculture/future-of-farming/ https://www.deere.co.uk/en/agriculture/future-of-farming/) or housing (https://www.iconbuild.com/ https://www.iconbuild.com/).

dccoolgai 4y ago
That's exactly my point, though: software doesn't really "power" any if those things. They are powered by solar/gas/etc. And the robotics that do the actual agriculture tasks are created in a factory. The value software brings has a hard upper bound related to those things.
- chrisco255 4y ago
  They are created in a factory that itself is powered by automation and robotics, that enables teams of hundreds to do the work that would formerly take tens of thousands. As far as energy goes, software also helps to optimize oil exploration, and software is clearly involved in optimizing solar efficiency and production of solar cells. It's also involved in nuclear facilities, power distribution networks, charging stations, grid management systems, etc. The limits of software haven't even begun to be tapped yet.
fuzzfactor 4y ago
>You can't eat any kind of service. But it's possible to be in the vast network of services that people can not eat very well without.

dasil003 4y ago

Sure software is not generally essential. But on the other hand, do we really need more stuff?

dnissley 4y ago

You can't eat plumbing either -- this point is nonsense.

dccoolgai 4y ago
But every "Jim and sons" plumbing company doesn't get half a billion dollars in VC funding. I didn't say "software has no value" but it's certainly overestimated, especially against other services like plumbing.