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I just don’t see any future where I won’t be eating meat. My grandparents and cousins raise farm animals; I’ve helped raise farm animals: horses, oxen, cows, c

I just don’t see any future where I won’t be eating meat. My grandparents and cousins raise farm animals; I’ve helped raise farm animals: horses, oxen, cows, chickens, pigs, goats… What stops a family from raising their own hamburgers? In my vision, it’s a lot cleaner and easier to understand than lab grown meat. I was just talking to my grandpa, in Europe, he was laughing at the news about needing to eat insects in the future, he also mentioned no one he knows would have trouble sourcing meat in any vision of the future. (Edit: downvote me all you want with no comment but this is a part of reality no matter how much you ignore it; good luck convincing generational farmers, that grow their own food, to start getting pre-frozen insect meat or meat alternatives, delivered to them from god knows where.)

Dylan16807 4y ago
Go ahead but that's a lot of expense and/or land needed, and isn't relevant to most people But also it's silly of you to equate "lab grown meat" to stuff that's just different plants processed and mixed.
toast0 4y ago
> What stops a family from raising their own hamburgers? Mostly that they take a lot of space or a lot of feed or both. I borrowed two cows (or loaned a pasture) for a couple of weeks once, and they cleaned it out real fast. A lot of people in single family homes could keep chickens or maybe even goats, but cows are right out.
hedora 4y ago
I don't think people realize how low emissions are for poultry. Also, adding supplements like seaweed to cow diets reduces their emissions substantially. Ultimately, we have to do direct air carbon capture anyway at this point (the climate is already unacceptably screwed up), and doing that will be far more economical and scalable than eliminating long tail carbon emissions. After all, meat production is only a bit over 5% of global emissions. Carbon capture will dwarf that: we're committed to capturing > 100% of current emissions for many years, whether we like it or not. Estimates say carbon capture will cost about a dollar per gallon of gasoline-equivalent emissions. Would people rather give up beef, or pay $0.10-0.05 more per gallon of gasoline?
iforgotpassword 4y ago
It's the same line of argument as "well my dad was a chain smoker and he died at 92 and it wasn't lung cancer!" It's undisputable that producing meat requires way more land and resources than any plant or vegetable. Sure, nobody cares about the farmer and his five cows he keeps for himself, what's rather the problem is giant animal farms with questionable hygiene, sick animals, bad treatment of them, and the general expectation of more and more parts of the world population to eat meat every day instead of once or twice a week.

Dylan16807 4y ago

Go ahead but that's a lot of expense and/or land needed, and isn't relevant to most people But also it's silly of you to equate "lab grown meat" to stuff that's just different plants processed and mixed.

toast0 4y ago

> What stops a family from raising their own hamburgers? Mostly that they take a lot of space or a lot of feed or both. I borrowed two cows (or loaned a pasture) for a couple of weeks once, and they cleaned it out real fast. A lot of people in single family homes could keep chickens or maybe even goats, but cows are right out.

hedora 4y ago

I don't think people realize how low emissions are for poultry. Also, adding supplements like seaweed to cow diets reduces their emissions substantially. Ultimately, we have to do direct air carbon capture anyway at this point (the climate is already unacceptably screwed up), and doing that will be far more economical and scalable than eliminating long tail carbon emissions. After all, meat production is only a bit over 5% of global emissions. Carbon capture will dwarf that: we're committed to capturing > 100% of current emissions for many years, whether we like it or not. Estimates say carbon capture will cost about a dollar per gallon of gasoline-equivalent emissions. Would people rather give up beef, or pay $0.10-0.05 more per gallon of gasoline?

iforgotpassword 4y ago

It's the same line of argument as "well my dad was a chain smoker and he died at 92 and it wasn't lung cancer!" It's undisputable that producing meat requires way more land and resources than any plant or vegetable. Sure, nobody cares about the farmer and his five cows he keeps for himself, what's rather the problem is giant animal farms with questionable hygiene, sick animals, bad treatment of them, and the general expectation of more and more parts of the world population to eat meat every day instead of once or twice a week.