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We're talking about an industry that has failed to standardize on a single, interchangeable charging plug here. What do you think the chances of a single, inte

We're talking about an industry that has failed to standardize on a single, interchangeable charging plug here. What do you think the chances of a single, interchangeable battery for such a "battery station" to remove, recharge, replace are? Or are you proposing such stations for each individual manufacturer, model, model year, etc?

CryptoBanker 4y ago
They haven’t standardized because they haven’t been given an incentive to standardize. I would argue that perhaps the incentives mentioned in the article could be given to companies instead to encourage them to standardize in plugs and batteries, but many people prefer to see financial incentives given to people instead of corporations
meatmanek 4y ago
The industry _has_ standardized, except for one hold-out (Tesla): https://youtu.be/sZOuz_laH9I?t=990 https://youtu.be/sZOuz_laH9I?t=990 > CCS is the established industry standard DC fast-charging connector, and every automaker selling cars for the US market is already using it, or, in the case of Nissan, has pledged to use it going forward. Except, oh right, except for... them [Tesla]. The charger situation is quite analogous to Lightning vs. USB-C for smartphones. USB-C is the industry standard, and there's one manufacturer still using a proprietary connector. And in both cases, the hold-out manufacturer provides an adapter cable so you can use the standard connector. (To your point about standardized batteries having approximately 0% chance of happening any time soon, I 100% agree.)
- SeanLuke 4y ago
  There is an important point to make here though. I love me some Technology Connections, and am hardly a Tesla fan (in fact just bought a non-Tesla EV). But Tesla's connectors are unquestionably superior to the hideousness that is CCS. Tesla settled early on an elegant connector, and true to form, the rest of the auto industry settled on garbage, literally tacking DC pins onto the outside of a J-1772, much like the monstrosity that is the USB Micro B SS plug design.
sidewndr46 4y ago
Let's just ignore the total of end-user standardization like a charging plug. They can't even put the gas filler on the same side universally on all vehicles. They can't even make the way you access it universal. Ever seen a car from the 70s where it was hidden behind the license plate?
- tacostakohashi 4y ago
  > Ever seen a car from the 70s where it was hidden behind the license plate? Yes, I have. Those are kind of cool, because it is equidistant from both sides.
- jjav 4y ago
  > They can't even put the gas filler on the same side universally on all vehicles. The side is a a non-issue. The important part is that the hose connection is standard. Any ICE car I could possibly buy can be fueled at any gas station anywhere, the hose always works.
_8j50 4y ago
Governments can mandate this just like electrical outlets and emissions requirements.

CryptoBanker 4y ago

They haven’t standardized because they haven’t been given an incentive to standardize. I would argue that perhaps the incentives mentioned in the article could be given to companies instead to encourage them to standardize in plugs and batteries, but many people prefer to see financial incentives given to people instead of corporations

meatmanek 4y ago

The industry _has_ standardized, except for one hold-out (Tesla): https://youtu.be/sZOuz_laH9I?t=990 https://youtu.be/sZOuz_laH9I?t=990 > CCS is the established industry standard DC fast-charging connector, and every automaker selling cars for the US market is already using it, or, in the case of Nissan, has pledged to use it going forward. Except, oh right, except for... them [Tesla]. The charger situation is quite analogous to Lightning vs. USB-C for smartphones. USB-C is the industry standard, and there's one manufacturer still using a proprietary connector. And in both cases, the hold-out manufacturer provides an adapter cable so you can use the standard connector. (To your point about standardized batteries having approximately 0% chance of happening any time soon, I 100% agree.)

SeanLuke 4y ago
There is an important point to make here though. I love me some Technology Connections, and am hardly a Tesla fan (in fact just bought a non-Tesla EV). But Tesla's connectors are unquestionably superior to the hideousness that is CCS. Tesla settled early on an elegant connector, and true to form, the rest of the auto industry settled on garbage, literally tacking DC pins onto the outside of a J-1772, much like the monstrosity that is the USB Micro B SS plug design.

sidewndr46 4y ago

Let's just ignore the total of end-user standardization like a charging plug. They can't even put the gas filler on the same side universally on all vehicles. They can't even make the way you access it universal. Ever seen a car from the 70s where it was hidden behind the license plate?

tacostakohashi 4y ago
> Ever seen a car from the 70s where it was hidden behind the license plate? Yes, I have. Those are kind of cool, because it is equidistant from both sides.
jjav 4y ago
> They can't even put the gas filler on the same side universally on all vehicles. The side is a a non-issue. The important part is that the hose connection is standard. Any ICE car I could possibly buy can be fueled at any gas station anywhere, the hose always works.

_8j50 4y ago

Governments can mandate this just like electrical outlets and emissions requirements.