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Don't confuse the Optane SSD products (worse binned media over a slower NVMe link) with the higher-performance (and more expensive) Optane Persistent Memory pro

Don't confuse the Optane SSD products (worse binned media over a slower NVMe link) with the higher-performance (and more expensive) Optane Persistent Memory product. For the latter, the latency looks to be sub-microsecond (~100X? SSDs), bandwidth is ~3-5X SSDs, ~10X more endurance, and up to 10X more dense than DRAM (512GB sticks anyone?). Don't have a specific good source though, just from Googling. I wasn't a marketing person, but I was on the engineering side.

fluoridation 4y ago
Like I said in the other comment, all I cared about was having many gigs of memory on desktop. I never got a whiff of those 512 GB sticks, although I sure would have loved to get my hands on them. If Intel segmented them for the datacenter then whoop-de-fucking-doo. All I ever saw were shitty little useless cache drives.
Melatonic 4y ago
That really sounds like they need better marketing people lol Why would they name those two things the SAME? Call one Optane and one of them Budge-Tane or something
- paulmd 4y ago
  Not OP but marketing was obviously a huge problem for Optane. Intel Marketing did an absolutely terrible job. * You've got Optane Memory, the PDIMM, which only works with a limited set of Intel products * You've got Optane the NVMe drive, which works with anything, and are available in sizes usable as a boot disk or for databases/ZIL/etc * You've got Optane Memory, the 16gb/32gb cache drive used in shitty laptops to try and boost performance, but actually those are just really small NVMe SSDs and can be used as such if you want. * You've got Optane the caching software, which only works with Intel motherboards/laptops, and basically does the same thing as PrimoCache/StoreMI. etc. And Intel marketing just made zero effort to distinguish or clarify these products in any way... to this day you get people thinking you had to own an intel system to use optane drives.
  - wtallis 4y ago
    Probably the worst bit of Optane marketing was laptops with 8GB of RAM and 16GB of Optane SSD cache being advertised as having 24GB memory.
    - paulmd 4y ago
      Yep that's super deceptive. I guess if you pin it to swap it's not terrible with a latency that low (optane is ideal for a swap drive, super low latency) but it's not really the same as 24gb. also, current-day: this "intel processor" being the new name for the low-end processor is fucking lmao, did raja's marketing buddies burn the whole place down already? oh my god imagine using your primary brand name as a sub-brand for low-quality products like man intel marketing has never been all that on the ball, but wat

fluoridation 4y ago

Like I said in the other comment, all I cared about was having many gigs of memory on desktop. I never got a whiff of those 512 GB sticks, although I sure would have loved to get my hands on them. If Intel segmented them for the datacenter then whoop-de-fucking-doo. All I ever saw were shitty little useless cache drives.

Melatonic 4y ago

That really sounds like they need better marketing people lol Why would they name those two things the SAME? Call one Optane and one of them Budge-Tane or something

paulmd 4y ago
Not OP but marketing was obviously a huge problem for Optane. Intel Marketing did an absolutely terrible job. * You've got Optane Memory, the PDIMM, which only works with a limited set of Intel products * You've got Optane the NVMe drive, which works with anything, and are available in sizes usable as a boot disk or for databases/ZIL/etc * You've got Optane Memory, the 16gb/32gb cache drive used in shitty laptops to try and boost performance, but actually those are just really small NVMe SSDs and can be used as such if you want. * You've got Optane the caching software, which only works with Intel motherboards/laptops, and basically does the same thing as PrimoCache/StoreMI. etc. And Intel marketing just made zero effort to distinguish or clarify these products in any way... to this day you get people thinking you had to own an intel system to use optane drives.
- wtallis 4y ago
  Probably the worst bit of Optane marketing was laptops with 8GB of RAM and 16GB of Optane SSD cache being advertised as having 24GB memory.
  - paulmd 4y ago
    Yep that's super deceptive. I guess if you pin it to swap it's not terrible with a latency that low (optane is ideal for a swap drive, super low latency) but it's not really the same as 24gb. also, current-day: this "intel processor" being the new name for the low-end processor is fucking lmao, did raja's marketing buddies burn the whole place down already? oh my god imagine using your primary brand name as a sub-brand for low-quality products like man intel marketing has never been all that on the ball, but wat