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he's been CEO for the last 7 years, any drastic culture change is on him. Funny to watch these CEOs try to shift blame for their failures recently. All these c

he's been CEO for the last 7 years, any drastic culture change is on him. Funny to watch these CEOs try to shift blame for their failures recently. All these companies went on crazy hiring sprees for no real reason and now are crying about "deadweight" employees. Perhaps the people who approved the hiring plans are who should be blamed?

greesil 4y ago
And to make it more fun it has yoyo'd. In 2020 it was panic, doom and gloom. Then suddenly it's irresponsible party time. And now back to doom and gloom.
- johnbellone 4y ago
  The roaring 20s...
  - greesil 4y ago
    Not exactly how I'd characterize it :)
Longlius 4y ago
And it'll also be hilarious in a few years watching them scramble to hire again once they cut the 'deadweight' and all those guys just to move to Ohio or something to work in regular companies without much loss in TC (but half the CoL). If you don't need the engineers, plenty of companies are hungry to snatch them up.
- zinclozenge 4y ago
  Yea but then they have to live in Ohio.
  - dekhn 4y ago
    I learned something when I worked at Google that would never have occurred to me. They hired a ton of people from the midwest- smart computer people who couldn't find good jobs in the midwest. They moved out to Sunnyvale and Cupertino and hated it. Many of them wanted to return to the midwest, but got accustomed to Google pay and didn't want to take a cut moving. As a Bay Area aficionado, I couldn't quite get this, but when I saw how these folks lived in Cupertino and Sunnyvale (tiny, overpriced houses with ultra-competitive school districts) I could kind of understand the desire to return to an Ohio, or Illinois, or Indiana.
    - vineyardmike 4y ago
      As someone who lived in Ohio for a little while but is now back in the bay, I get it even if I wouldn't do it. If you're from the midwest, the quaint little midwestern culture is what you know. And it is super cheap, so the cost of entry is low. I know people who moved to Ohio when I was there - "temporarily", and fell in love. You can move to a (small) city, and it has home-town vibes and the people there are townies. Its so easy to make friends and just click and feel like you belong. Everyone does the same things (or some subset of the same things) and goes to the same places, so there's a strong shared cultural overlap, because, yes, that's your friend groups favorite bar too!. That said, I hated the weather, it was awful compared to the bay. Many cities have "Detroit syndrome" where the business left and everyone is talking doom and gloom about how their city will never make a comeback (even if its in the middle of a comeback). If you're not straight and white and American you may connect less to it, since its got strong "All American" vibes in the 'burbs and a strong religious majority. You're less likely to find the crazy driven type-A overachievers since they moved out to bigger places. Anyone who wants a break from the Bay or NYC I always point them to Cleveland. Every major sports team for you to root for, houses cost less than a VCR, a few good schools feeding the local businesses, and a great history full of cultural places in the city. Some of the best public schools in Ohio (rocky river, shaker heights, etc). Some of the best museums anywhere, and the best off-broadway theater district. And one of the best hospitals anywhere, because you never know if you'll get sick/hurt. Truly amazing considering the COL can be 1/10 that of San Francisco.
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- unity1001 4y ago
  > And it'll also be hilarious in a few years watching them scramble to hire again once they cut the 'deadweight' Yep. 'Discarding people like trash' will be added to Google's reputation of 'discarding users like trash' with their 'deprecations'.
ProAm 4y ago
Google hasnt made a great product in longer than 7 years though. He took over a listless ship. It's been a lot of freefall and coasting.... being kept afloat my an advertising monopoly. Now that the monopoly is starting to unravel a bit Google has realized things will need to change, fat needs to be trimmed and innovation must return.
PeterStuer 4y ago
And when they reverse gear, it is usually not the "dead weight" that gets axed, as the dead weight's priority is on looking after number 1, while good engineers get duped into caring about 'challenging problems' or 'the company'.
sangnoir 4y ago
> All these companies went on crazy hiring sprees for no real reason Management broadly assumed the pandemic boom was the new normal, but now they are sacrificing labor to placate the wrath of Wall street gods in order to keep their jobs.
- ghaff 4y ago
  The pandemic also seemingly threw off some hiring patterns and companies ended up increasing overall headcount faster and sooner than they planned to.
mancerayder 4y ago
But the Google interview process is so hard, and requires either an active theoretical math / CS practice knowledge or months of studying algorithms. Surely such a system would never filter on the wrong employee type.

greesil 4y ago

And to make it more fun it has yoyo'd. In 2020 it was panic, doom and gloom. Then suddenly it's irresponsible party time. And now back to doom and gloom.

johnbellone 4y ago
The roaring 20s...
- greesil 4y ago
  Not exactly how I'd characterize it :)

Longlius 4y ago

And it'll also be hilarious in a few years watching them scramble to hire again once they cut the 'deadweight' and all those guys just to move to Ohio or something to work in regular companies without much loss in TC (but half the CoL). If you don't need the engineers, plenty of companies are hungry to snatch them up.

zinclozenge 4y ago
Yea but then they have to live in Ohio.
- dekhn 4y ago
  I learned something when I worked at Google that would never have occurred to me. They hired a ton of people from the midwest- smart computer people who couldn't find good jobs in the midwest. They moved out to Sunnyvale and Cupertino and hated it. Many of them wanted to return to the midwest, but got accustomed to Google pay and didn't want to take a cut moving. As a Bay Area aficionado, I couldn't quite get this, but when I saw how these folks lived in Cupertino and Sunnyvale (tiny, overpriced houses with ultra-competitive school districts) I could kind of understand the desire to return to an Ohio, or Illinois, or Indiana.
  - vineyardmike 4y ago
    As someone who lived in Ohio for a little while but is now back in the bay, I get it even if I wouldn't do it. If you're from the midwest, the quaint little midwestern culture is what you know. And it is super cheap, so the cost of entry is low. I know people who moved to Ohio when I was there - "temporarily", and fell in love. You can move to a (small) city, and it has home-town vibes and the people there are townies. Its so easy to make friends and just click and feel like you belong. Everyone does the same things (or some subset of the same things) and goes to the same places, so there's a strong shared cultural overlap, because, yes, that's your friend groups favorite bar too!. That said, I hated the weather, it was awful compared to the bay. Many cities have "Detroit syndrome" where the business left and everyone is talking doom and gloom about how their city will never make a comeback (even if its in the middle of a comeback). If you're not straight and white and American you may connect less to it, since its got strong "All American" vibes in the 'burbs and a strong religious majority. You're less likely to find the crazy driven type-A overachievers since they moved out to bigger places. Anyone who wants a break from the Bay or NYC I always point them to Cleveland. Every major sports team for you to root for, houses cost less than a VCR, a few good schools feeding the local businesses, and a great history full of cultural places in the city. Some of the best public schools in Ohio (rocky river, shaker heights, etc). Some of the best museums anywhere, and the best off-broadway theater district. And one of the best hospitals anywhere, because you never know if you'll get sick/hurt. Truly amazing considering the COL can be 1/10 that of San Francisco.
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unity1001 4y ago
> And it'll also be hilarious in a few years watching them scramble to hire again once they cut the 'deadweight' Yep. 'Discarding people like trash' will be added to Google's reputation of 'discarding users like trash' with their 'deprecations'.

ProAm 4y ago

Google hasnt made a great product in longer than 7 years though. He took over a listless ship. It's been a lot of freefall and coasting.... being kept afloat my an advertising monopoly. Now that the monopoly is starting to unravel a bit Google has realized things will need to change, fat needs to be trimmed and innovation must return.

PeterStuer 4y ago

And when they reverse gear, it is usually not the "dead weight" that gets axed, as the dead weight's priority is on looking after number 1, while good engineers get duped into caring about 'challenging problems' or 'the company'.

sangnoir 4y ago

> All these companies went on crazy hiring sprees for no real reason Management broadly assumed the pandemic boom was the new normal, but now they are sacrificing labor to placate the wrath of Wall street gods in order to keep their jobs.

ghaff 4y ago
The pandemic also seemingly threw off some hiring patterns and companies ended up increasing overall headcount faster and sooner than they planned to.

mancerayder 4y ago

But the Google interview process is so hard, and requires either an active theoretical math / CS practice knowledge or months of studying algorithms. Surely such a system would never filter on the wrong employee type.