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The headline didn't surprise me, but the five universities named actually did. I'd expected Harvard to be there but there's a few mid prestige schools in the li
by lordnacho 4y ago
The headline didn't surprise me, but the five universities named actually did. I'd expected Harvard to be there but there's a few mid prestige schools in the list. I'd have thought the list would be dominated by the same old famous institutions such as Ivies and MIT rather than large state universities.
- pessimizer 4y agoProfessor-level pay is not acceptable for people who attend the Ivies and MIT.
- setgree 4y agoYou might be surprised by what faculty at the professional schools (and their near-equivalents, like Econ departments) make — think starting salaries in the 180-250k range at high-ranking R1 schools.
- yCombLinks 4y agoThat's high but not impressively high. I make that without a degree in software.
- setgree 4y agoThe comment I'm responding to said that professor salaries are "not acceptable" to ivy league and MIT grads. I think that's misinformed, and I provided anecdotal evidence to that effect ;)
- cycomanic 4y agoWhat do you mean by starting salary? A tenure track professor would typically ~35-40 years old, having gone through undergrad, masters&phd plus a couple of postdocs. They would also not make 250k (at least i don't know anyone who made that sort of salary), that's the salary of a full professor at a reasonably prestigious uni.
- setgree 4y agoI'm thinking of friends who graduated from econ PhD programs, typically at around 29-30, and made 180-250K, depending on where they were hired. That's obviously not everyone, but the comment I'm responding to said that "Professor-level pay is not acceptable for people who attend the Ivies and MIT." I think that low six figures is "acceptable" for people who went to even the fanciest schools :)
- scarmig 4y agoMany (most?) professors also do consulting gigs on the side that can be very lucrative.
- nickysielicki 4y agoIt’s Harvard, Stanford, UCBerkeley, UMich, and UWMadison. Which ones surprised you? UMich and UW-Madison are mid tier?
- lordnacho 4y agoWell I don't know what to call them but in the public mind I would guess they are not as high prestige as the others. Of course I have no actual idea of what quality the institutions actually are, I'm just polling my perception of the public perception.
- mturmon 4y agoI agree! Alas, there are a lot of comments nearby (not necessarily children of yours) from people who didn't notice this, and are working out their elitism thing. (Those damn elite professors who went to grad school in Madison!) These are all really big schools (Cal, UMich, UW), so in retrospect, I get it. Classic "how do you normalize" thing (https://xkcd.com/1138/ https://xkcd.com/1138/).
- lapcat 4y ago> Those damn elite professors who went to grad school in Madison! This is underrating the University of Wisconsin. "Among the 1,070 departments that are ranked top-10 in any field, 248 (23.2%) top-10 slots are occupied by departments at just five universities—UC Berkeley, Harvard, Stanford, University of Wisconsin-Madison and Columbia; fully 252 universities (64%) have zero top-10 departments." https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05222-x https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05222-x See also my comment with numerical data about doctorate production at schools: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32945639 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32945639
- mturmon 4y agoSure, both “big” and “top”. Some commenters seem to expect institutions like Caltech (“top” but not “big”) to have a presence in a demographic survey like this.