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But as COVID science got clearer, the spreaders of fake news (“vaccines prevent virus” “masks work” “kids are endangered”) didn’t bear any responsibility nor su

by tomp 4y ago

But as COVID science got clearer, the spreaders of fake news (“vaccines prevent virus” “masks work” “kids are endangered”) didn’t bear any responsibility nor suffer any consequences. Same as with climate science. When predictions turn wrong (glaciers still existing in 2020, Great Barrier Reef recovering) everyone just moves on to new fear-mongering.

chrisan 4y ago
What kind of consequences do you want those people to suffer? Surely you aren't going to argue the the vaccines did more harm than good? Or that wearing a mask caused someone personal harm? Or that trying to keep kids safe was a bad idea? My wife personally took care of many sick covid kids. They had all kinds of weird ailments no one was used to pre-pandemic. Not sure why you are citing glaciers still existing as something to stand on, they are clearly and measurably disappearing.
- tomp 4y ago
  At the very least they should lose their jobs/positions, never again be in position of power or consequential decision making, and the institutions that promoted them, should internally review their policies so the lies don’t happen again.
banannaise 4y ago
OrvalWintermute 4y ago
I was shocked, as was my Doctor wife, that the government appeared to deliberately withhold firstline treatment options, and non-vaccine therapeutics Her response, "What is the standard of care for Covid patients first presenting?" There were none for years, the Govt conspired with BigTech to characterize doctors like Zelenko (RIP) and McCullough as loony quacks when they came up with their own protocols for treatment. Yet, later on the govt did come out with protocols that strangely, mimicked Zelenko & McCullough's material.
- puffoflogic 4y ago
  > Yet, later on the govt did come out with protocols that strangely, mimicked Zelenko & McCullough's material. No no no this is disinformation! A protocol which includes *checks notes* Pfizermectin is totally different than a protocol which includes ivermectin. You can't compare the two!
  - nradov 4y ago
    There haven't been any high-quality studies (consistent with evidence-based medicine criteria) which show ivermectin to be clinically effective as an early COVID-19 treatment. If you know of such a study then could you please provide a citation? If by "Pfizermectin" you are referring to Paxlovid, that is not accurate. There are significant biochemical and pharmacokinetic differences between the molecules. https://www.acsh.org/news/2021/12/02/how-does-pfizers-paxlovid-compare-ivermectin-15967 https://www.acsh.org/news/2021/12/02/how-does-pfizers-paxlov...
    - OrvalWintermute 4y ago
      on Ivermectin the evidence is over the place. Many of the foreign studies definitely show benefit. Many of the other studies don't. It is a real trainwreck. Consequently, I think it is safe to say that this is up in the air. However, the McCullough protocol [1], and the closely related Zelenko protocols were not only about Ivermectin, HCQ, or Zinc, but instead cocktails of drugs with proven efficacy, and an overall approach to treatment prior to hospitalization. Referencing the late 2020 publication: Sanitization Masks hand washing / hand sanitizer Fresh air / Air circulation Negative pressure air isolation Supplements: Zinc with hydroxychloroquine Vitamin D & Vitamin C Antivirals / Antibiotics Quercetin Favipiravir Azithromycin Doxycycline Mono-Clonal antibodies bamlanivimab (MAB) casirivimab and imdevimab (MABs) Anti-Inflammatory Colchicine Corticosteroids budesonide dexamethasone Antiplatelet agents and antithrombotics aspirin heparin Orals - pixaban, rivaroxaban, edoxaban, dabigatran [1] https://www.imrpress.com/journal/RCM/21/4/10.31083/j.rcm.2020.04.264 https://www.imrpress.com/journal/RCM/21/4/10.31083/j.rcm.202...
      - 4y ago

by tomp 4y ago

chrisan 4y ago

What kind of consequences do you want those people to suffer? Surely you aren't going to argue the the vaccines did more harm than good? Or that wearing a mask caused someone personal harm? Or that trying to keep kids safe was a bad idea? My wife personally took care of many sick covid kids. They had all kinds of weird ailments no one was used to pre-pandemic. Not sure why you are citing glaciers still existing as something to stand on, they are clearly and measurably disappearing.

tomp 4y ago
At the very least they should lose their jobs/positions, never again be in position of power or consequential decision making, and the institutions that promoted them, should internally review their policies so the lies don’t happen again.

banannaise 4y ago

OrvalWintermute 4y ago

I was shocked, as was my Doctor wife, that the government appeared to deliberately withhold firstline treatment options, and non-vaccine therapeutics Her response, "What is the standard of care for Covid patients first presenting?" There were none for years, the Govt conspired with BigTech to characterize doctors like Zelenko (RIP) and McCullough as loony quacks when they came up with their own protocols for treatment. Yet, later on the govt did come out with protocols that strangely, mimicked Zelenko & McCullough's material.

puffoflogic 4y ago
> Yet, later on the govt did come out with protocols that strangely, mimicked Zelenko & McCullough's material. No no no this is disinformation! A protocol which includes *checks notes* Pfizermectin is totally different than a protocol which includes ivermectin. You can't compare the two!
- nradov 4y ago
  There haven't been any high-quality studies (consistent with evidence-based medicine criteria) which show ivermectin to be clinically effective as an early COVID-19 treatment. If you know of such a study then could you please provide a citation? If by "Pfizermectin" you are referring to Paxlovid, that is not accurate. There are significant biochemical and pharmacokinetic differences between the molecules. https://www.acsh.org/news/2021/12/02/how-does-pfizers-paxlovid-compare-ivermectin-15967 https://www.acsh.org/news/2021/12/02/how-does-pfizers-paxlov...
  - OrvalWintermute 4y ago
    on Ivermectin the evidence is over the place. Many of the foreign studies definitely show benefit. Many of the other studies don't. It is a real trainwreck. Consequently, I think it is safe to say that this is up in the air. However, the McCullough protocol [1], and the closely related Zelenko protocols were not only about Ivermectin, HCQ, or Zinc, but instead cocktails of drugs with proven efficacy, and an overall approach to treatment prior to hospitalization. Referencing the late 2020 publication: Sanitization Masks hand washing / hand sanitizer Fresh air / Air circulation Negative pressure air isolation Supplements: Zinc with hydroxychloroquine Vitamin D & Vitamin C Antivirals / Antibiotics Quercetin Favipiravir Azithromycin Doxycycline Mono-Clonal antibodies bamlanivimab (MAB) casirivimab and imdevimab (MABs) Anti-Inflammatory Colchicine Corticosteroids budesonide dexamethasone Antiplatelet agents and antithrombotics aspirin heparin Orals - pixaban, rivaroxaban, edoxaban, dabigatran [1] https://www.imrpress.com/journal/RCM/21/4/10.31083/j.rcm.2020.04.264 https://www.imrpress.com/journal/RCM/21/4/10.31083/j.rcm.202...
    - 4y ago