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When you have an interest in creating distrust in using science for policy, anything goes. One of the key anti-lockdown advocacy groups, PANDA, started out fai
by _djo_ 4y ago
When you have an interest in creating distrust in using science for policy, anything goes.
One of the key anti-lockdown advocacy groups, PANDA, started out fairly sane-sounding and was packed full of hedge fund and other finance people. But once vaccines were widely available they inexplicably turned strongly anti-vaccine too.
- evilpotatoes 4y agoSince when is anti-mandatory vaccination anti-vaccine ? Especially since it demonstrably has zero impact on infection or likelihood of communication. Which the data showed as obvious since about July of 2021 from Israel.
- nrb 4y ago> Especially since it demonstrably has zero impact on infection or likelihood of communication. How about hospitalization and death rates, the outcomes we actually care about?
- evilpotatoes 4y agoFor which time period? If you look recently, it's not looking so good for covid-19 vaccines.
- prottog 4y agoI'm repeating an idea I read somewhere else, but we should just stop calling it the "Covid vaccine", since it doesn't seem to make you any less likely to catch the disease or spread it once you have it. The word "vaccine" should be reserved for things that we traditionally understand to be such. Let's call it a "Covid preventative" or literally anything else, and stop mandating it, so that we avoid the bigger public health issue of a generalized distrust against existing, effective vaccines arising from this.
- lern_too_spel 4y agoYou're redefining the word vaccine. A vaccine is a drug that works by stimulating the immune system. It always has been. The fact that you think it means something else is a result of you being an easy mark for people spreading misinformation.
- nradov 4y agoI actually agree with you but the CDC changed their definition of the word "vaccine" several times, most recently in 2021. The latest revision is now more scientifically accurate. But it's understandable how the changes caused confusion among some members of the public. https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-976069264061 https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-976069264061
- lern_too_spel 4y agoIt is not understandable without people acting in bad faith. Nobody with any sense would be closely monitoring that page's definitions because they are meaningless for policy. The only people who would care are conspiracy theorists and those who profit from them.
- prottog 4y agoBesides calling me stupid and gullible, do you have an answer for my original point, which is that the Covid vaccines behave so differently than other vaccines, and that there may be a public health benefit in acknowledging that? I get vaccinated against measles, or polio, or tetanus, and I don't have to worry about catching or spreading any of those diseases for years. With the Covid vaccine, some sources[0] say fully-vaccinated people are only half as likely as unvaccinated people to catch it (though obviously with less severe effects), and maybe about as likely to transmit it to others[1], and the protective effects wear off in a matter of months. That clearly doesn't line up with the public's traditional understanding of vaccines. [0]: https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-02/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-02/421-010-Cases... [1]: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00768-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3...