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Probably not much - but bear in mind that there's so much Java out there that there are bound to be a few backwaters doing weird things as well as a huge pile o

Probably not much - but bear in mind that there's so much Java out there that there are bound to be a few backwaters doing weird things as well as a huge pile of legacy code that will benefit from the update (probably not as big as the pile of legacy code that will never get enough love to get updated!) I haven't personally seen any green field Java EE code in the last 10 years or so! Edit: Since I got downvoted for this (I would have thought) innocuous observation, I'll add the clarifying observation that Java is thriving. I'm specifically talking about Java EE, and Java EE as a platform at that, not as one-of-many libraries supporting the various other platforms.

geodel 4y ago
I mean I also think you are right. I will observe that Java EE is now Jakarta EE. It is important because it means not much money is to be made by "Java EE" now, So Oracle has dumped it to Eclipse foundation as Jakarta EE. It has also been sliced and diced in to multiple profiles, popular among them is Microprofile. It can be implemented with Apache tomcat instead of heavier Websphere/ Weblogic etc. Another thing that happened is container term which in Java world would be Servlet/EJB containers is now associated with Docker containers. And Java enterprise containers fell out of fashion. All these factor led do Java/Jakarta EE being also ran.
- dcminter 4y ago
  And there I was patting myself on the back for not calling it J2EE ;)
vips7L 4y ago
> I haven't personally seen any green field Java EE code in the last 10 years or so! I’m sure you have. Nearly everyone is using JPA and Quarkus is using JAX-RS via RESTEasy and other parts of the microprofile part of EE.
- dcminter 4y ago
  To reiterate: > I'm specifically talking about Java EE, and Java EE as a platform at that, not as one-of-many libraries supporting the various other platforms.

geodel 4y ago

I mean I also think you are right. I will observe that Java EE is now Jakarta EE. It is important because it means not much money is to be made by "Java EE" now, So Oracle has dumped it to Eclipse foundation as Jakarta EE. It has also been sliced and diced in to multiple profiles, popular among them is Microprofile. It can be implemented with Apache tomcat instead of heavier Websphere/ Weblogic etc. Another thing that happened is container term which in Java world would be Servlet/EJB containers is now associated with Docker containers. And Java enterprise containers fell out of fashion. All these factor led do Java/Jakarta EE being also ran.

dcminter 4y ago
And there I was patting myself on the back for not calling it J2EE ;)

vips7L 4y ago

> I haven't personally seen any green field Java EE code in the last 10 years or so! I’m sure you have. Nearly everyone is using JPA and Quarkus is using JAX-RS via RESTEasy and other parts of the microprofile part of EE.

dcminter 4y ago
To reiterate: > I'm specifically talking about Java EE, and Java EE as a platform at that, not as one-of-many libraries supporting the various other platforms.