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My 2 cents of venting on this sorry excuse of software - Backtick formatting in a chat post only works after typing the closing backtick, deleting it, re-typin

My 2 cents of venting on this sorry excuse of software - Backtick formatting in a chat post only works after typing the closing backtick, deleting it, re-typing it - Text copied from a conversation is polluted with names and time stamps. "I really want this feature" said nobody ever - The mute/unmute button is hard to find, I don't think I've ever attended a Teams meeting without someone struggling with this. Teams should change its name to "You're on mute" - Multiple windows, I never know which is the 'main' window, which is the meeting window, where are they, which has focus - Too hard to know which chat you're replying to, who is in it - Updates in chats are not consistently acknowledged, you have to change focus, and back again. Even then the "Activity" tab still shows unread items that I have read - Random crashing - Random communication freezes, everyone else is chatting, I don't see any updates nor notification of any problems until I restart the app - "Reply" is sometimes in the chat context menu, sometimes not. - Media handling is inconsistent, sometimes I can't paste photos, sometimes I can - The size of the text chat column in a meeting cannot be changed and is very narrow, forcing you to find the same chat in the 'main' window

jdhzzz 4y ago
To make the TEAMs experience even worse, our IT department, okay at the behest of the legal team, put a policy in place that removes chat history older than 24 hours thus removing the last shred of utility from the product.
jdhzzz 4y ago
Things I like (What?): Ctrl-Shift-V pastes into TEAMs with no formatting. Should be part of the OS. Contrary to WebEx (what we came from for meetings), joining a TEAMs meeting from both PC and phone joins you as one participant, not 2.
- roydivision 4y ago
  Probably not intentional.
- executesorder66 4y ago
  > Ctrl-Shift-V pastes into TEAMs with no formatting. Should be part of the OS. Pasting without formatting should be the default behaviour. Ctrl-Shift-V should be for people who want the shitty version.
shrimp_emoji 4y ago
You missed the best ones: - Your avatar not showing for you but showing for everyone else - Messages randomly disappearing from DM history (they're supposed to be stored locally, so I don't even know how this happens) - Entire contacts disappearing (if they're in a group chat, they'll show up as "Unknown User")! - Editing a message where you've attached a picture and then it says "Uh oh, we lost your attachment. Please attach it again." (Not helped by the fact that Windows lacks a clipboard history, like KDE has.) - Once, parts of the GUI just failed to load, so all buttons and many elements rendered as text labels reflecting variable names. Menus exploded to gigantic size since a small button was now "foo_bar_widget_doohickey" and it broke the layout badly. It was pretty funny. (And this is all native! Native app on Windows. Not the web app.) I've never seen any software this buggy. I've been using IMs for like 20 years now, and Teams sets a new, utterly unparalleled bar for dysfunctionality.
itaysk 4y ago
the markdown like editing is horrible, why is it so hard to implement a few basic formatting options? especially using `backticks` which unless written in one go doesn't work. There was a good few months where lists (-/*) or quote blocks (>) didn't work at all unless selected with mouse, and it would drive me crazy. I used to try to contact support about it but they were always useless. search sometimes finds the message I was looking for but clicking on it never works. wiki isn't editable on mobile. and on computer it's buggy.
deadlocked 4y ago
I don't think I saw anyone mention it but you can't copy PNGs from a web page and paste them into Teams. If I want to share graphs from LibreNMS with my team, I have to use the screenshot tool.
leokennis 4y ago
- When you paste a link and press enter to send, it doesn’t send immediately and instead sends randomly after a few seconds - This means if you were typing a follow up message your messages will look like this: > Hey visit this cool site: https://news.ycombinator.com/ https://news.ycombinator.com/ It has al >l these cool discussions about tech!
navane 4y ago
- images are deepfried when pasted into chats - can't copy an image from a chat and use it elsewhere; you have to find the download button, download it, go to your download folder, so people just screenshot the image in chat
- cyberpunk 4y ago
  cmd+tab only works on mac until you've received one notification, after that focus goes to an invisible window.
nanna 4y ago
- Last time I tried it didn't support screensharing on Wayland.
xattt 4y ago
> - Media handling is inconsistent, sometimes I can't paste photos, sometimes I can I think this has something to do with the input format of the file being pasted. I’ve been able to work around this by first copying the image I want to share into WordPad and then into Teams. I also don’t know if this is a policy set by my IT department to reduce the bandwidth consumption from external aniGIFs.
MagerValp 4y ago
- @name stops working if you leave it running for a while - Image uploads to a chat failing for no apparent reason - No obvious way of sharing/reposting an image or document from another chat
bartread 4y ago
I'll add more: - Fries CPU and GPU on video calls, making it difficult to use other applications or demo when screensharing - Interacts unfavourably with at least some WiFi drivers leading to unidirectional and bidirectional losses of connectivity - Copy and paste randomly break so you can't copy content from Teams or paste anything into it; applies to both text and images - Doesn't honour setting not to automatically restart which makes it hard to kill when it needs to be restarted - Automatic restart means it often restarts before it's cleanly shutdown leading to reoccurrence of the problem you tried to kill it for in the first place, or other random bugs and instabilities - Too slow to start up and load channels: show the cached content immediately - stop blocking on bloody network calls like it's the 1980s and you've never written any code that calls over a network before - Causes system instability on video calls with multiple participants - No feedback on image paste/upload: is it uploading or not? You don't know. Leads to images that you thought hadn't worked just randomly appearing in the middle of typing - not very helpful. Put a placeholder (ideally correctly sized) where the image will go on the client whilst it's uploading and then get out of the way. - Doesn't seem to be possible to resize/rescale images Could think of plenty more but I should do some work. (And, despite all of the above, it's still probably the best of a bad bunch - Hangouts call quality is often terrible, and Zoom is just a complete mess when it comes to anything beyond the basic video calling functionality.)
- robertlagrant 4y ago
  We have Zoom in the office and the meeting room kit is fantastic. I just need to be in the room, open Zoom on my laptop and click Share Screen and it shares to the screen in the room. Never had such an easy time of it.
- FridgeSeal 4y ago
  Here's some more: - eats your battery like nothing else. Got charge? Not if teams has anything to do about it. Discord does more, at better quality and doesn't eat that much power. - has some bizarre interaction with the volume slider: clicking it mutes just the teams call, but sliding the volume controls alters the volume level of the whole computer. Why? - cuts off the sides of video, because it defaults to "fit video", so too bad to anyone sitting at the side of the camera, no way to change the setting, so you have to change it by. hand. for. every. video. feed. every. single. call. - insists on continuing to send you notifications for that re-occuring marketing meeting you were in once, 6 months ago, but notifications for the link your teammates posted in the chat of the call you are currently in, are apparently not worthy of delivery. - inexplicably defaults to using non-native notifications (on Mac OS), not sure why they felt the need to BYO awful notification system on an OS that has one built in, but it's awful.
finetuned 4y ago
Something I discovered after switching to Windows: MS Teams eats the ctrl+shift+S shortcut while it's in the background, so I cannot use it anymore in other applications. It literally makes other apps stop working properly. Sigh.
cr1895 4y ago
Most frustrating for me is that I receive no call notifications. Well, sometimes I do, but most of the time I do not and I need to wait until a call has been missed before I see who’s called. Unless I happen to be in the chat window of the person who’s calling…then I can see the “join call” button active. It’s maddening and IT can’t solve it properly, and I’m not the only one at my company having this issue. Utter garbage app and user experience. Edit: even worse is if I’m being called into an existing group call…there’s no way to accept.
- roydivision 4y ago
  Yup, I have the same, to the point where (corp office) I have to run Skype solely to know when I have an incoming call as it has a proper, working notification mechanism.
- cs02rm0 4y ago
  Yeah. I log in and type "Morning" as is the routine in our main channel. Then over the next two hours I get 30 notifications about people liking my comment and nothing for anything actually useful, like calls. It doesn't even pretend to let me turn off notifications for reactions without losing the whole channel's notifications.
  - easton 4y ago
    You can disable reaction notifications globally in Settings -> Notifications -> Chat. Doesn't help if you only want them for some channels though.
    - cs02rm0 4y ago
      That's set to off. I still get them though...
- ricardobayes 4y ago
  I think that's something that actively broken, the android app says in a red banner that call notifications are not delivered.
cs02rm0 4y ago
- The mute/unmute button is hard to find, I don't think I've ever attended a Teams meeting without someone struggling with this. Teams should change its name to "You're on mute" As far as the keyboard's concerned I think it's three buttons - something like cmd-shift-m where on Slack it's just m. Drives me mad.
rwalle 4y ago
My favorite one is that when someone "likes" or use whatever "emotion" on your message, even if you are currently taking to the person, you need to click "activity" page in order to clear that notification and then come back
- axilmar 4y ago
  It is very annoying. Thankfully, there is an option to turn these notifications off.
- bvirkler 4y ago
  Scrolling up and back down will also clear the notification.
- LegitShady 4y ago
  I turned this off somewhere in the options. You can too.
reuben364 4y ago
- Web interface is not supported on Firefox, last I tried. I try and avoid installing native clients for occasional uses.
- bitexploder 4y ago
  I run Linux and just keep all these apps on my iPad. If I need to demo software, oh well. Zoom runs way better on Linux natively. Teams is a joke.
friendzis 4y ago
> Text copied from a conversation is polluted with names and time stamps. "I really want this feature" said nobody ever I want this feature in any "enterprise" chat app. In fact, more often than not if I copy multiple messages from multiple authors I want to have author/time metadata. For the very same reason we leave replied-to content in emails. I agree that there should be mechanism to copy text only and even a setting to chose the default behavior.
- vultour 4y ago
  Sure, if you're copying multiple messages in a conversation. Otherwise you're still able to select the name and time along with the message. Hijacking my clipboard with data I have not selected can fuck off.
  - roydivision 4y ago
    This. No app should be futching with the text I select to copy. It's like those damn websites who use JS to add crap to text copied from their pages.
  - friendzis 4y ago
    In case of a single message yes. I guess sane default behavior is to copy content only with single message and content+metadate with multiple messages. I guess we are in agreement then
mission_failed 4y ago
Searching Oh god the searching It's so bad it must be actively designed to not work. Find a result that is outside the current cached chats and want to see the posts around it for context? Just click the result... To show only the result on page?? Lol gfy, you have to manually scroll allllllllll the way back through months of texts. Let's lump together text chats meeting chats, org chart and sharepoint/teams files, and make a totally useless search function that actively hates users.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- executesorder66 4y ago
  I thought the search was shit, but it's actually way worse. If the specific message you are looking for is more than 90 days old, it WILL NOT show up in the search results. This is hard coded into teams. They are intentionally crippling the usefulness of their application. It can only be because they are mentally retarded.
deergomoo 4y ago
I had a period of several weeks where most days my arrow keys would just stop working. I could Ctrl+arrow to jump words or Shift+arrow to highlight, but just an arrow key by itself? Nope. My biggest gripe though is just the sluggishness in every single thing. It’s like there’s a 500ms minimum latency for any action you can perform in the app. Truly miserable bit of software. I always wonder how the dev teams feel on projects like this. They just know they’re shipping garbage, surely?
jabroni_salad 4y ago
> - The size of the text chat column in a meeting cannot be changed and is very narrow, forcing you to find the same chat in the 'main' window So evidently chats CAN be narrow if they want but god forbid you want to shrink down any of the windows to park on the edge of your secondary monitor. Why is the minimum window size so goddam huge?

jdhzzz 4y ago

To make the TEAMs experience even worse, our IT department, okay at the behest of the legal team, put a policy in place that removes chat history older than 24 hours thus removing the last shred of utility from the product.

jdhzzz 4y ago

Things I like (What?): Ctrl-Shift-V pastes into TEAMs with no formatting. Should be part of the OS. Contrary to WebEx (what we came from for meetings), joining a TEAMs meeting from both PC and phone joins you as one participant, not 2.

roydivision 4y ago
Probably not intentional.
executesorder66 4y ago
> Ctrl-Shift-V pastes into TEAMs with no formatting. Should be part of the OS. Pasting without formatting should be the default behaviour. Ctrl-Shift-V should be for people who want the shitty version.

shrimp_emoji 4y ago

You missed the best ones: - Your avatar not showing for you but showing for everyone else - Messages randomly disappearing from DM history (they're supposed to be stored locally, so I don't even know how this happens) - Entire contacts disappearing (if they're in a group chat, they'll show up as "Unknown User")! - Editing a message where you've attached a picture and then it says "Uh oh, we lost your attachment. Please attach it again." (Not helped by the fact that Windows lacks a clipboard history, like KDE has.) - Once, parts of the GUI just failed to load, so all buttons and many elements rendered as text labels reflecting variable names. Menus exploded to gigantic size since a small button was now "foo_bar_widget_doohickey" and it broke the layout badly. It was pretty funny. (And this is all native! Native app on Windows. Not the web app.) I've never seen any software this buggy. I've been using IMs for like 20 years now, and Teams sets a new, utterly unparalleled bar for dysfunctionality.

itaysk 4y ago

the markdown like editing is horrible, why is it so hard to implement a few basic formatting options? especially using `backticks` which unless written in one go doesn't work. There was a good few months where lists (-/*) or quote blocks (>) didn't work at all unless selected with mouse, and it would drive me crazy. I used to try to contact support about it but they were always useless. search sometimes finds the message I was looking for but clicking on it never works. wiki isn't editable on mobile. and on computer it's buggy.

deadlocked 4y ago

I don't think I saw anyone mention it but you can't copy PNGs from a web page and paste them into Teams. If I want to share graphs from LibreNMS with my team, I have to use the screenshot tool.

leokennis 4y ago

- When you paste a link and press enter to send, it doesn’t send immediately and instead sends randomly after a few seconds - This means if you were typing a follow up message your messages will look like this: > Hey visit this cool site: https://news.ycombinator.com/ https://news.ycombinator.com/ It has al >l these cool discussions about tech!

navane 4y ago

- images are deepfried when pasted into chats - can't copy an image from a chat and use it elsewhere; you have to find the download button, download it, go to your download folder, so people just screenshot the image in chat

cyberpunk 4y ago
cmd+tab only works on mac until you've received one notification, after that focus goes to an invisible window.

nanna 4y ago

- Last time I tried it didn't support screensharing on Wayland.

xattt 4y ago

> - Media handling is inconsistent, sometimes I can't paste photos, sometimes I can I think this has something to do with the input format of the file being pasted. I’ve been able to work around this by first copying the image I want to share into WordPad and then into Teams. I also don’t know if this is a policy set by my IT department to reduce the bandwidth consumption from external aniGIFs.

MagerValp 4y ago

- @name stops working if you leave it running for a while - Image uploads to a chat failing for no apparent reason - No obvious way of sharing/reposting an image or document from another chat

bartread 4y ago

I'll add more: - Fries CPU and GPU on video calls, making it difficult to use other applications or demo when screensharing - Interacts unfavourably with at least some WiFi drivers leading to unidirectional and bidirectional losses of connectivity - Copy and paste randomly break so you can't copy content from Teams or paste anything into it; applies to both text and images - Doesn't honour setting not to automatically restart which makes it hard to kill when it needs to be restarted - Automatic restart means it often restarts before it's cleanly shutdown leading to reoccurrence of the problem you tried to kill it for in the first place, or other random bugs and instabilities - Too slow to start up and load channels: show the cached content immediately - stop blocking on bloody network calls like it's the 1980s and you've never written any code that calls over a network before - Causes system instability on video calls with multiple participants - No feedback on image paste/upload: is it uploading or not? You don't know. Leads to images that you thought hadn't worked just randomly appearing in the middle of typing - not very helpful. Put a placeholder (ideally correctly sized) where the image will go on the client whilst it's uploading and then get out of the way. - Doesn't seem to be possible to resize/rescale images Could think of plenty more but I should do some work. (And, despite all of the above, it's still probably the best of a bad bunch - Hangouts call quality is often terrible, and Zoom is just a complete mess when it comes to anything beyond the basic video calling functionality.)

robertlagrant 4y ago
We have Zoom in the office and the meeting room kit is fantastic. I just need to be in the room, open Zoom on my laptop and click Share Screen and it shares to the screen in the room. Never had such an easy time of it.
FridgeSeal 4y ago
Here's some more: - eats your battery like nothing else. Got charge? Not if teams has anything to do about it. Discord does more, at better quality and doesn't eat that much power. - has some bizarre interaction with the volume slider: clicking it mutes just the teams call, but sliding the volume controls alters the volume level of the whole computer. Why? - cuts off the sides of video, because it defaults to "fit video", so too bad to anyone sitting at the side of the camera, no way to change the setting, so you have to change it by. hand. for. every. video. feed. every. single. call. - insists on continuing to send you notifications for that re-occuring marketing meeting you were in once, 6 months ago, but notifications for the link your teammates posted in the chat of the call you are currently in, are apparently not worthy of delivery. - inexplicably defaults to using non-native notifications (on Mac OS), not sure why they felt the need to BYO awful notification system on an OS that has one built in, but it's awful.

finetuned 4y ago

Something I discovered after switching to Windows: MS Teams eats the ctrl+shift+S shortcut while it's in the background, so I cannot use it anymore in other applications. It literally makes other apps stop working properly. Sigh.

cr1895 4y ago

Most frustrating for me is that I receive no call notifications. Well, sometimes I do, but most of the time I do not and I need to wait until a call has been missed before I see who’s called. Unless I happen to be in the chat window of the person who’s calling…then I can see the “join call” button active. It’s maddening and IT can’t solve it properly, and I’m not the only one at my company having this issue. Utter garbage app and user experience. Edit: even worse is if I’m being called into an existing group call…there’s no way to accept.

roydivision 4y ago
Yup, I have the same, to the point where (corp office) I have to run Skype solely to know when I have an incoming call as it has a proper, working notification mechanism.
cs02rm0 4y ago
Yeah. I log in and type "Morning" as is the routine in our main channel. Then over the next two hours I get 30 notifications about people liking my comment and nothing for anything actually useful, like calls. It doesn't even pretend to let me turn off notifications for reactions without losing the whole channel's notifications.
- easton 4y ago
  You can disable reaction notifications globally in Settings -> Notifications -> Chat. Doesn't help if you only want them for some channels though.
  - cs02rm0 4y ago
    That's set to off. I still get them though...
ricardobayes 4y ago
I think that's something that actively broken, the android app says in a red banner that call notifications are not delivered.

cs02rm0 4y ago

- The mute/unmute button is hard to find, I don't think I've ever attended a Teams meeting without someone struggling with this. Teams should change its name to "You're on mute" As far as the keyboard's concerned I think it's three buttons - something like cmd-shift-m where on Slack it's just m. Drives me mad.

rwalle 4y ago

My favorite one is that when someone "likes" or use whatever "emotion" on your message, even if you are currently taking to the person, you need to click "activity" page in order to clear that notification and then come back

axilmar 4y ago
It is very annoying. Thankfully, there is an option to turn these notifications off.
bvirkler 4y ago
Scrolling up and back down will also clear the notification.
LegitShady 4y ago
I turned this off somewhere in the options. You can too.

reuben364 4y ago

- Web interface is not supported on Firefox, last I tried. I try and avoid installing native clients for occasional uses.

bitexploder 4y ago
I run Linux and just keep all these apps on my iPad. If I need to demo software, oh well. Zoom runs way better on Linux natively. Teams is a joke.

friendzis 4y ago

> Text copied from a conversation is polluted with names and time stamps. "I really want this feature" said nobody ever I want this feature in any "enterprise" chat app. In fact, more often than not if I copy multiple messages from multiple authors I want to have author/time metadata. For the very same reason we leave replied-to content in emails. I agree that there should be mechanism to copy text only and even a setting to chose the default behavior.

vultour 4y ago
Sure, if you're copying multiple messages in a conversation. Otherwise you're still able to select the name and time along with the message. Hijacking my clipboard with data I have not selected can fuck off.
- roydivision 4y ago
  This. No app should be futching with the text I select to copy. It's like those damn websites who use JS to add crap to text copied from their pages.
- friendzis 4y ago
  In case of a single message yes. I guess sane default behavior is to copy content only with single message and content+metadate with multiple messages. I guess we are in agreement then

mission_failed 4y ago

Searching Oh god the searching It's so bad it must be actively designed to not work. Find a result that is outside the current cached chats and want to see the posts around it for context? Just click the result... To show only the result on page?? Lol gfy, you have to manually scroll allllllllll the way back through months of texts. Let's lump together text chats meeting chats, org chart and sharepoint/teams files, and make a totally useless search function that actively hates users.

deleted 4y ago
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executesorder66 4y ago
I thought the search was shit, but it's actually way worse. If the specific message you are looking for is more than 90 days old, it WILL NOT show up in the search results. This is hard coded into teams. They are intentionally crippling the usefulness of their application. It can only be because they are mentally retarded.

deergomoo 4y ago

I had a period of several weeks where most days my arrow keys would just stop working. I could Ctrl+arrow to jump words or Shift+arrow to highlight, but just an arrow key by itself? Nope. My biggest gripe though is just the sluggishness in every single thing. It’s like there’s a 500ms minimum latency for any action you can perform in the app. Truly miserable bit of software. I always wonder how the dev teams feel on projects like this. They just know they’re shipping garbage, surely?

jabroni_salad 4y ago

> - The size of the text chat column in a meeting cannot be changed and is very narrow, forcing you to find the same chat in the 'main' window So evidently chats CAN be narrow if they want but god forbid you want to shrink down any of the windows to park on the edge of your secondary monitor. Why is the minimum window size so goddam huge?