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Happy for everyone who got out.

jwr 4y ago
Also, hoping that everyone who did get out (who presumably isn't that keen on murdering Ukrainians) is busy sending help to Ukraine and dedicated a significant percentage of their salary to that effect.
- dmitrygr 4y ago
  A little presumptuous of you to tell people who just barely escaped being thrown into a meat grinder how to spend what little money they might have.
  - throwaway777845 4y ago
    Thinking, that people living in russia should bear responsibility for what russia does, is not really that presumptuous, given what russia is doing. Russia 101: Russia forcibly mobilizes men from occupied teritotries, most of them will die off in the spec operation, then (after war) loyal russians will be imported to that region.
    - dmitrygr 4y ago
      Are you willing to take in 100M russians? Got a big back yard, with schools and hospitals to take care of them? If not, where are they to go exactly? What is it you want them to do? They live in a de-facto dictatorship. Most are normal people trying to just live a life. They have as much effect on Putin as you do (possibly less).
      - luckylion 4y ago
        Does that not absolve everyone of everything but Putin himself? His generals were "just following orders", the politicians "couldn't do anything alone", the tank-engineers were "just trying to live a life", the soldiers invading Ukraine "really have no influence", so they choose to murder Ukrainians instead of turning their guns on those they allegedly have no influence over.
        dmitrygr 4y ago
        $higher_power willing you never end up with a choice of either obeying orders to go kill someone or having your family executed in front of you. Bottom level grunts only have this choice.
    - lawn 4y ago
      Some Russians are oppressed and really poor. Those who should take responsibility are the rich who also don't have to worry about being sent to war. The question is, how do we make them take responsibility?
      - vkou 4y ago
        > The question is, how do we make them take responsibility? Easy. Sanctions, travel bans, financial restrictions, and stop buying natgas.
      - deleted 4y ago
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    - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
      > people living in russia should bear responsibility for what russia does Ramzan Kadirov is a regional warlord in russia, known foe decades for murder and torture. Before the war he had instagram and other social media accounts. Should the Western leaders ever take responsebility for working with blooduly dictators when it suits? As opposed to some poor John Doe in the middle of Siberia, who protested mutiple times and got nothing but a broken skull to show for it https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/09/the-observer-view-on-anti-kremlin-protests-in-siberia https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/09/the-ob...
- hef19898 4y ago
  Ukraine deserves all the support it can get. From NATO and othet allied / supporting nations. Private donations a drop in the bucket. Reminder: If Afghan or other refugees from the various wars and occupations in that region of the world send money to finance resistence, we in the West have a tendency to call it funding of terrorism.
  - luckylion 4y ago
    Pretty much only if they support the Taliban or ISIS though, who they're allegedly fleeing from. If someone fled from Russia because they didn't want to fight in Ukraine, but then sent money to Russia "for the war efforts", would you consider that reasonable?
- khazhoux 4y ago
  > dedicated a significant percentage of their salary to that effect Russian citizens don't bear the financial responsibility (or the moral blame) for what Putin in doing.
  - Gravityloss 4y ago
    How do you think democracy came to be in the countries where it exists?
    - khazhoux 4y ago
      Maybe I was unclear. The comment above mine said Russian citizens should donate a significant portion of their earnings to Ukraine. That's the part I objected to.
- jjulius 4y ago
  With all due respect, I believe that you are demonstrating a strong, fundamental misunderstanding of what life is like for a refugee, which results in your comment coming off as tone deaf.
  - jwr 4y ago
    "Refugee" is a broad category. I know a number of Russians who left their country and live very well in Western cities, with well-paying IT jobs. Some of them regularly write about the subtler aspects of newly announced Apple hardware. People like you and me. So — tone deaf, perhaps, but only if you have a stereotypical image of a "refugee" in your mind.
    - jjulius 4y ago
      >"Refugee" is a broad category. It sure is! And yet, emphasis mine: >... everyone who did get out...
unsupp0rted 4y ago
I think you mean: happy to prevent everyone who got out from using services like Namecheap with 7-days notice: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30505495 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30505495 > We haven't blocked the domains, we are asking people to move. There are plenty of other choices out there when it comes to infrastructure services so this isn't "deplatforming". I sympathize with people that are not pro regime but ultimately even those tax dollars they may generate go to the regime. We have people on the ground in Ukraine being bombarded now non stop. I cannot with good conscience continue to support the Russian regime in any way, shape or form. People that are getting angry need to point that at the cause, their own government. If more grace time is necessary for some to move, we will provide it. Free speech is one thing but this decision is more about a government that is committing war crimes against innocent people that we want nothing to do with. Yeah I'll take all your downvotes. My family got out and I don't appreciate companies calling me a monster by accident of my birth on the wrong side of an arbitrary historical border.
- jjulius 4y ago
  >... I don't appreciate companies calling me a monster... At no point in that quote were you called a monster, nor were you specifically blamed for anything. This sentence is key: >I sympathize with people that are not pro regime but ultimately even those tax dollars they may generate go to the regime. I empathize with how difficult the Namecheap issue may have been for you, but Namecheap did not call you a monster. They simply didn't want the tax dollars generated from you going to a cause they may not support, even if that was never your intention. Simple as that.
  - unsupp0rted 4y ago
    Namecheap didn't ban people in Russia. They banned Russians... people who happen to have been born in the wrong place and aren't in that place. Oh but they didn't ban them... they simply gave them 7 days to move. Oh but they're not calling them monsters, they're simply calling them people who support a regime of monsters. Oh but they're not calling them supporters of that monstrous regime, they're calling them funders of that monstrous regime.
awb 4y ago
Are there repercussions for leaving? Like “draft dodging”? Or can you return to Russia later without penalty?
- runews 4y ago
  Once you're served a notice to appear in mobilization center - yes, it is illegal to not comply. If you're not served one - there should be no repercussions. However, you may be required to stay in your home town and not travel outside without permission if you are potentially subject to mobilization (which is the case for ~50% of men in Russia) - IANAL, there's different readings of the rules here.

jwr 4y ago

Also, hoping that everyone who did get out (who presumably isn't that keen on murdering Ukrainians) is busy sending help to Ukraine and dedicated a significant percentage of their salary to that effect.

dmitrygr 4y ago
A little presumptuous of you to tell people who just barely escaped being thrown into a meat grinder how to spend what little money they might have.
- throwaway777845 4y ago
  Thinking, that people living in russia should bear responsibility for what russia does, is not really that presumptuous, given what russia is doing. Russia 101: Russia forcibly mobilizes men from occupied teritotries, most of them will die off in the spec operation, then (after war) loyal russians will be imported to that region.
  - dmitrygr 4y ago
    Are you willing to take in 100M russians? Got a big back yard, with schools and hospitals to take care of them? If not, where are they to go exactly? What is it you want them to do? They live in a de-facto dictatorship. Most are normal people trying to just live a life. They have as much effect on Putin as you do (possibly less).
    - luckylion 4y ago
      Does that not absolve everyone of everything but Putin himself? His generals were "just following orders", the politicians "couldn't do anything alone", the tank-engineers were "just trying to live a life", the soldiers invading Ukraine "really have no influence", so they choose to murder Ukrainians instead of turning their guns on those they allegedly have no influence over.
      - dmitrygr 4y ago
        $higher_power willing you never end up with a choice of either obeying orders to go kill someone or having your family executed in front of you. Bottom level grunts only have this choice.
  - lawn 4y ago
    Some Russians are oppressed and really poor. Those who should take responsibility are the rich who also don't have to worry about being sent to war. The question is, how do we make them take responsibility?
    - vkou 4y ago
      > The question is, how do we make them take responsibility? Easy. Sanctions, travel bans, financial restrictions, and stop buying natgas.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    > people living in russia should bear responsibility for what russia does Ramzan Kadirov is a regional warlord in russia, known foe decades for murder and torture. Before the war he had instagram and other social media accounts. Should the Western leaders ever take responsebility for working with blooduly dictators when it suits? As opposed to some poor John Doe in the middle of Siberia, who protested mutiple times and got nothing but a broken skull to show for it https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/09/the-observer-view-on-anti-kremlin-protests-in-siberia https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/09/the-ob...
hef19898 4y ago
Ukraine deserves all the support it can get. From NATO and othet allied / supporting nations. Private donations a drop in the bucket. Reminder: If Afghan or other refugees from the various wars and occupations in that region of the world send money to finance resistence, we in the West have a tendency to call it funding of terrorism.
- luckylion 4y ago
  Pretty much only if they support the Taliban or ISIS though, who they're allegedly fleeing from. If someone fled from Russia because they didn't want to fight in Ukraine, but then sent money to Russia "for the war efforts", would you consider that reasonable?
khazhoux 4y ago
> dedicated a significant percentage of their salary to that effect Russian citizens don't bear the financial responsibility (or the moral blame) for what Putin in doing.
- Gravityloss 4y ago
  How do you think democracy came to be in the countries where it exists?
  - khazhoux 4y ago
    Maybe I was unclear. The comment above mine said Russian citizens should donate a significant portion of their earnings to Ukraine. That's the part I objected to.
jjulius 4y ago
With all due respect, I believe that you are demonstrating a strong, fundamental misunderstanding of what life is like for a refugee, which results in your comment coming off as tone deaf.
- jwr 4y ago
  "Refugee" is a broad category. I know a number of Russians who left their country and live very well in Western cities, with well-paying IT jobs. Some of them regularly write about the subtler aspects of newly announced Apple hardware. People like you and me. So — tone deaf, perhaps, but only if you have a stereotypical image of a "refugee" in your mind.
  - jjulius 4y ago
    >"Refugee" is a broad category. It sure is! And yet, emphasis mine: >... everyone who did get out...

unsupp0rted 4y ago

I think you mean: happy to prevent everyone who got out from using services like Namecheap with 7-days notice: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30505495 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30505495 > We haven't blocked the domains, we are asking people to move. There are plenty of other choices out there when it comes to infrastructure services so this isn't "deplatforming". I sympathize with people that are not pro regime but ultimately even those tax dollars they may generate go to the regime. We have people on the ground in Ukraine being bombarded now non stop. I cannot with good conscience continue to support the Russian regime in any way, shape or form. People that are getting angry need to point that at the cause, their own government. If more grace time is necessary for some to move, we will provide it. Free speech is one thing but this decision is more about a government that is committing war crimes against innocent people that we want nothing to do with. Yeah I'll take all your downvotes. My family got out and I don't appreciate companies calling me a monster by accident of my birth on the wrong side of an arbitrary historical border.

jjulius 4y ago
>... I don't appreciate companies calling me a monster... At no point in that quote were you called a monster, nor were you specifically blamed for anything. This sentence is key: >I sympathize with people that are not pro regime but ultimately even those tax dollars they may generate go to the regime. I empathize with how difficult the Namecheap issue may have been for you, but Namecheap did not call you a monster. They simply didn't want the tax dollars generated from you going to a cause they may not support, even if that was never your intention. Simple as that.
- unsupp0rted 4y ago
  Namecheap didn't ban people in Russia. They banned Russians... people who happen to have been born in the wrong place and aren't in that place. Oh but they didn't ban them... they simply gave them 7 days to move. Oh but they're not calling them monsters, they're simply calling them people who support a regime of monsters. Oh but they're not calling them supporters of that monstrous regime, they're calling them funders of that monstrous regime.

awb 4y ago

Are there repercussions for leaving? Like “draft dodging”? Or can you return to Russia later without penalty?

runews 4y ago
Once you're served a notice to appear in mobilization center - yes, it is illegal to not comply. If you're not served one - there should be no repercussions. However, you may be required to stay in your home town and not travel outside without permission if you are potentially subject to mobilization (which is the case for ~50% of men in Russia) - IANAL, there's different readings of the rules here.