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Doesn’t it matter what they are “selling” after work hours? I was a salesman 20+ years ago and still engage in up selling my friends. But it’s usually to get t
by jraby3 4y ago
Doesn’t it matter what they are “selling” after work hours?
I was a salesman 20+ years ago and still engage in up selling my friends. But it’s usually to get them to engage in healthy activities like working out, going for a walk, or eating healthy; or to get them to try a new experience like tasting a new food or being more honest/kind to their loved ones.
Sometimes I wonder if I’m exhausting to them or they appreciate the good intention.
- luxpir 4y agoA bit of both. Work on yourself before others.
- q-big 4y agoSome people insanely detest being manipulated - even if it is for their own good (that's at least what the manipulating person claims). I personally observe this "manipulation-detesting" character trait in particular to be prevalent in hacker circles. By the way: this is also a reason that I see why so many hackers date differently from the typical population since dating is about manipulating the other side to love one.
- grayclhn 4y agoThat has not been my experience of dating at all fwiw
- GrinningFool 4y ago> since dating is about manipulating the other side to love one. Sounds like you're doing it wrong.
- q-big 4y ago> Sounds like you're doing it wrong. Then I have to conclude that a lot of dating advice that one finds is plainly wrong: "show off your best side" is for example an instance of "manipulate the other person to believe that you are of higher value than you actually are (and thus a relationship with you is a better deal than it actually is)".
- melagonster 4y agoyou just need to keep this until Death coming.
- GrinningFool 4y agoI'd agree that it's wrong. If the person you're dating isn't comfortable with you being yourself, then it's probably the wrong person. Presenting a fake impression of yourself to convince them to stick around seems like a poor foundation for a relationship.
- throwaway2037 4y agoQ Biggie: You hit the nail on the head. Most hackers I know are thinking "run away" when they see / hear a sales person. "Oh fu-k, what are these people trying to sell or make me do?" When I re-read this post, I feel the same about senior technical management that does nothing more than powerpoint, email, meetings, and phone/vid calls. The last time they wrote code or did anything technical was (frequently) never, or so long ago that the technology sounds like an archeological dig!
- throwaway2037 4y agoI appreciate that you have good intention, but I don't like it. I sincerely try to avoid sales people. Only when absolutely necessary. And dating sales people is hell. I made that mistake a couple of times. Only with real distance could I see they were always try to manipulate me to do something for them. It was exhausting. I think the hacker (non-sales) style is to lead by example, not spend so much effort trying to convince others with words. "Deeds lead" for hackers. For example, instead of trying to directly convince a very unhealthy co-worker to eat less junk food, I might talk about my own struggles with junk food eating... or say that I am trying to cut down. Or exercise more. Or whatever. But focus on myself and my own actions and the messages they emit... rather that trying to directly manipulate the other person with words only.