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The biggest problem with this approach is that it takes a lot of curation to get your recommendation in a decent shape and it takes you one accidental video vie

The biggest problem with this approach is that it takes a lot of curation to get your recommendation in a decent shape and it takes you one accidental video view to have your feed be full of uninteresting content related to that video. This asymmetry is the root of all the recommendation system problems.

epivosism 4y ago
For me as soon as I say "not interested" it completely nukes that keyword. I don't have to keep doing it.
XorNot 4y ago
This right here is exactly it: my number one use of incognito mode these days is when clicking on YouTube videos that have been linked from somewhere else where I'm trying to keep their content out of my recommendations.
rtsil 4y ago
Remove the unwanted video from your history and it will no longer affect your recommendations.
- arcatech 4y ago
  The article is claiming that that doesn't actually do very much.
  - infogulch 4y ago
    It works for me and other people I know. Especially useful when I'm baited or my finger slips. Paired with flagging recommendations as "Not interested" or "Don't recommend channel" it's very effective.
- oyashirochama 4y ago
  YT has hidden tags that tie it to your account after viewing a video, removing the video from played/history does not affect this and has been an issue with YT for nearly 6-7 years at this point.
  - throwaway2037 4y ago
    This sounds interesting. I tried to Google about it, but I found nothing. How did you learn about this?
    - brezelgoring 4y ago
      I don't know how you can reach it from within YT itself, but I know that if you do a datadump of your account, you can see it in one of the text files within. It, unsurprisingly, has a history of _lots_ of different things, you'll be shocked about how much Google knows about you. Probably things you yourself have forgotten.
      - JohnFen 4y ago
        That's why although I do subscribe to YouTube Premium (the only Google service I still use), I only use it from an account that is not used for anything else, on a single tablet that is not used for anything else, and pay with a card that is not used for anything else.
- makeitdouble 4y ago
  I assume you're right, which puts us in a position where: - search is neutered/broken, so finding new interesting videos is a chore - recommendations need to be manually combed regularly to remove dumb videos - watch history also needs to be combed to remove potential false signals That's a lot of curation to get somewhat decent recommendations. Not saying we have a choice, it's not like Vimeo will make a comeback to save us, but that's a pretty bad place we're in.
- pbhjpbhj 4y ago
  Similar on Facebook: I click through to a scam product to gather details and send a complaint to ASA (in UK). I then say "don't show me stuff like this", block the "story", block the advertiser. Now consistently I get adverts from Facebook for that same product from other scammers, no matter how much I block them. Presumably because that advert 'engaged' me for the longest. Eugh. Incidentally, ASA responded that it was not a UK company ... which sounds like "we don't care about scam advertising we're just here for the paycheck". The company were advertising on UK Facebook and held a UK registered trade mark.
  - notahacker 4y ago
    Facebook cares so little about scam content I'd regard them as actively complicit in the scams by this stage. Reported a scam as blatant as a Nigerian Prince (crypto product with "guaranteed income" of thousands per week which is "recommended by Martin Lewis" who actually took legal action against them over fake recommendations, according to a fake news website which rips off BBC News web design) to them and the feedback widget later informed me it had been reviewed and found to not be violating their scam policy. And yes, I got more of that type of website in my feed due to "engagement", which I suppose at least wastes advertiser dollars...
    - richrichardsson 4y ago
      I'm sure Facebook advertising is a waste of time now, it certainly is if anyone behaves the way I do on the platform: • I've conceded that adverts are going to show up in my feed regardless and most advertisers can't be bothered to target properly so are mostly irrelevant • I take great pleasure in "engaging" with the obvious scams and shitty crypto/NFT ads in the hope it's eating their ad budget • this makes the adverts I see extremely irrelevant in a reinforced feedback loop
tstrimple 4y ago
Same thing with task specific videos I watch. I just wanted to see how to remove the starter from my van. I’m not a car enthusiast. Please stop polluting everything in my recommendations based on these one off videos.
c4ptnjack 4y ago
Can this not be at least partially solved by relying more heavily on a user's feedback(like/ dislike buttons, numerical rating systems, and any other feedback mechanisms) to better understand preferences of the viewer? Along with simply being more patient and diligent when trying to discern actual user desire? It seems like the problem of asymmetry in recommendation platforms is more a choice from a design perspective than a challenge yet to be figured out. I'm far from an expert tho so just a thought from a laymen
- xani_ 4y ago
  They sell ads, not a good user experience. For them to sell user experience they'd need to have competition breathing down their necks first
  - benj111 4y ago
    You can't sell ads to someone who's given up watching because they can't find anything interesting.
  - c4ptnjack 4y ago
    Exactly what I'm getting at, well said. Rip when Vimeo being actually competitive.
    - thejynxed 4y ago
      Vimeo will never be effective because they've already issued a statement that they neither want to be like YouTube or host the same variety/types of content.
      - c4ptnjack 4y ago
        Oh yeah.. i wouldn't even dream of Vimeo being anything like we're talking about in the future lmao. But there was a time where it seemed like it could be what the people deserved, even if it was just teenage optimism lol

epivosism 4y ago

For me as soon as I say "not interested" it completely nukes that keyword. I don't have to keep doing it.

XorNot 4y ago

This right here is exactly it: my number one use of incognito mode these days is when clicking on YouTube videos that have been linked from somewhere else where I'm trying to keep their content out of my recommendations.

rtsil 4y ago

Remove the unwanted video from your history and it will no longer affect your recommendations.

arcatech 4y ago
The article is claiming that that doesn't actually do very much.
- infogulch 4y ago
  It works for me and other people I know. Especially useful when I'm baited or my finger slips. Paired with flagging recommendations as "Not interested" or "Don't recommend channel" it's very effective.
oyashirochama 4y ago
YT has hidden tags that tie it to your account after viewing a video, removing the video from played/history does not affect this and has been an issue with YT for nearly 6-7 years at this point.
- throwaway2037 4y ago
  This sounds interesting. I tried to Google about it, but I found nothing. How did you learn about this?
  - brezelgoring 4y ago
    I don't know how you can reach it from within YT itself, but I know that if you do a datadump of your account, you can see it in one of the text files within. It, unsurprisingly, has a history of _lots_ of different things, you'll be shocked about how much Google knows about you. Probably things you yourself have forgotten.
    - JohnFen 4y ago
      That's why although I do subscribe to YouTube Premium (the only Google service I still use), I only use it from an account that is not used for anything else, on a single tablet that is not used for anything else, and pay with a card that is not used for anything else.
makeitdouble 4y ago
I assume you're right, which puts us in a position where: - search is neutered/broken, so finding new interesting videos is a chore - recommendations need to be manually combed regularly to remove dumb videos - watch history also needs to be combed to remove potential false signals That's a lot of curation to get somewhat decent recommendations. Not saying we have a choice, it's not like Vimeo will make a comeback to save us, but that's a pretty bad place we're in.
pbhjpbhj 4y ago
Similar on Facebook: I click through to a scam product to gather details and send a complaint to ASA (in UK). I then say "don't show me stuff like this", block the "story", block the advertiser. Now consistently I get adverts from Facebook for that same product from other scammers, no matter how much I block them. Presumably because that advert 'engaged' me for the longest. Eugh. Incidentally, ASA responded that it was not a UK company ... which sounds like "we don't care about scam advertising we're just here for the paycheck". The company were advertising on UK Facebook and held a UK registered trade mark.
- notahacker 4y ago
  Facebook cares so little about scam content I'd regard them as actively complicit in the scams by this stage. Reported a scam as blatant as a Nigerian Prince (crypto product with "guaranteed income" of thousands per week which is "recommended by Martin Lewis" who actually took legal action against them over fake recommendations, according to a fake news website which rips off BBC News web design) to them and the feedback widget later informed me it had been reviewed and found to not be violating their scam policy. And yes, I got more of that type of website in my feed due to "engagement", which I suppose at least wastes advertiser dollars...
  - richrichardsson 4y ago
    I'm sure Facebook advertising is a waste of time now, it certainly is if anyone behaves the way I do on the platform: • I've conceded that adverts are going to show up in my feed regardless and most advertisers can't be bothered to target properly so are mostly irrelevant • I take great pleasure in "engaging" with the obvious scams and shitty crypto/NFT ads in the hope it's eating their ad budget • this makes the adverts I see extremely irrelevant in a reinforced feedback loop

tstrimple 4y ago

Same thing with task specific videos I watch. I just wanted to see how to remove the starter from my van. I’m not a car enthusiast. Please stop polluting everything in my recommendations based on these one off videos.

c4ptnjack 4y ago

Can this not be at least partially solved by relying more heavily on a user's feedback(like/ dislike buttons, numerical rating systems, and any other feedback mechanisms) to better understand preferences of the viewer? Along with simply being more patient and diligent when trying to discern actual user desire? It seems like the problem of asymmetry in recommendation platforms is more a choice from a design perspective than a challenge yet to be figured out. I'm far from an expert tho so just a thought from a laymen

xani_ 4y ago
They sell ads, not a good user experience. For them to sell user experience they'd need to have competition breathing down their necks first
- benj111 4y ago
  You can't sell ads to someone who's given up watching because they can't find anything interesting.
- c4ptnjack 4y ago
  Exactly what I'm getting at, well said. Rip when Vimeo being actually competitive.
  - thejynxed 4y ago
    Vimeo will never be effective because they've already issued a statement that they neither want to be like YouTube or host the same variety/types of content.
    - c4ptnjack 4y ago
      Oh yeah.. i wouldn't even dream of Vimeo being anything like we're talking about in the future lmao. But there was a time where it seemed like it could be what the people deserved, even if it was just teenage optimism lol