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There are certainly a lot of valid complaints about IQ. The lack of standardization is obviously a problem, and the cultural understanding of it is severely lac

There are certainly a lot of valid complaints about IQ. The lack of standardization is obviously a problem, and the cultural understanding of it is severely lacking. But study after study have shown that IQ is highly correlated with financial success, and at this point the confounders have been controlled well enough to say it’s hard for me to deny that pattern recognition, which is what well made iq tests measure, is a cause of success.

hirvi74 4y ago
I am not sure what is defined as "financial success," since it appears to be something one can be born into regardless of IQ. In regards to income, I briefly skimmed the Wikipedia section for IQ and Income, which can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient#Income https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient#Income "Highly correlated" would not be the choice of words I use to describe correlations between (0.23 - 0.5). We, as people, should cherish the contributions of one's intelligence instead of obsessing over an arbitrary, qualitative value painted as a qualitative value like one's potential intelligence.
- marketerinland 4y ago
  Maybe you’re not familiar with how correlation is reported, but 0.23-0.5 is very high.
  - hirvi74 4y ago
    I think I am hung up on semantics. If 0.23-0.5 correlation is "very high" then what is 0.7-0.9? Would r >= 0.7 be literal causation at that point for psychologist? (I'm kidding, of course) Again, I am not saying that a correlation of 0.23-0.5 is statistically insignificant by any means. I just think I needed "very high" to be coupled with "for psychology."
- political12345 4y ago
  > Highly correlated" would not be the choice of words I use to describe correlations between (0.23 - 0.5). lol, this range is 0.5 to 0.7 variance explained (R squared) which is an insane value. in typical social studies a correlation of > 5% is considered a major improvement. In finance a correlation or > 1% is considered amazing. You are either a hyper-intelectual drinking Taleb's kool-aid or simply don't know what you are talking about :D
  - disgruntledphd2 4y ago
    If the correlation is 0.2 then it explains 4% of the variance. If it's 0.5, then 25%. I'm not sure how you got your numbers, can you clarify? Also 10% variance explained in social science is considered pretty good (which is depressing, but such is life).
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  - hirvi74 4y ago
    > a hyper-intelectual Very far from it. I'm just an idiot with Internet access. > drinking Taleb's kool-aid I do agree with some of what he has said about IQ, but I am not well-versed in any of his other writings. > simply don't know what you are talking about Perhaps, but I am still not convinced.
rizzom5000 4y ago
Pattern recognition is an interesting way to describe what is being measured. I've always heard that IQ tests are really good at predicting the ability to understand complexity, or perform complex tasks; such as in the way the military has traditionally used intelligence tests to match recruits. I wonder if being really good at advanced math just means 'really good at pattern recognition'. Anyway, I saw an interesting theory once that suggested IQ simply measures motivation and highly motivated people will tend to do better on standardized tests as well as more generally in life.

hirvi74 4y ago

I am not sure what is defined as "financial success," since it appears to be something one can be born into regardless of IQ. In regards to income, I briefly skimmed the Wikipedia section for IQ and Income, which can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient#Income https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient#Income "Highly correlated" would not be the choice of words I use to describe correlations between (0.23 - 0.5). We, as people, should cherish the contributions of one's intelligence instead of obsessing over an arbitrary, qualitative value painted as a qualitative value like one's potential intelligence.

marketerinland 4y ago
Maybe you’re not familiar with how correlation is reported, but 0.23-0.5 is very high.
- hirvi74 4y ago
  I think I am hung up on semantics. If 0.23-0.5 correlation is "very high" then what is 0.7-0.9? Would r >= 0.7 be literal causation at that point for psychologist? (I'm kidding, of course) Again, I am not saying that a correlation of 0.23-0.5 is statistically insignificant by any means. I just think I needed "very high" to be coupled with "for psychology."
political12345 4y ago
> Highly correlated" would not be the choice of words I use to describe correlations between (0.23 - 0.5). lol, this range is 0.5 to 0.7 variance explained (R squared) which is an insane value. in typical social studies a correlation of > 5% is considered a major improvement. In finance a correlation or > 1% is considered amazing. You are either a hyper-intelectual drinking Taleb's kool-aid or simply don't know what you are talking about :D
- disgruntledphd2 4y ago
  If the correlation is 0.2 then it explains 4% of the variance. If it's 0.5, then 25%. I'm not sure how you got your numbers, can you clarify? Also 10% variance explained in social science is considered pretty good (which is depressing, but such is life).
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- hirvi74 4y ago
  > a hyper-intelectual Very far from it. I'm just an idiot with Internet access. > drinking Taleb's kool-aid I do agree with some of what he has said about IQ, but I am not well-versed in any of his other writings. > simply don't know what you are talking about Perhaps, but I am still not convinced.

rizzom5000 4y ago

Pattern recognition is an interesting way to describe what is being measured. I've always heard that IQ tests are really good at predicting the ability to understand complexity, or perform complex tasks; such as in the way the military has traditionally used intelligence tests to match recruits. I wonder if being really good at advanced math just means 'really good at pattern recognition'. Anyway, I saw an interesting theory once that suggested IQ simply measures motivation and highly motivated people will tend to do better on standardized tests as well as more generally in life.