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I am not sure this is true - I actually prefer a heavier bike for general use. If I was racing up hills or still doing cyclocross then light as possible would b

I am not sure this is true - I actually prefer a heavier bike for general use. If I was racing up hills or still doing cyclocross then light as possible would be best (and of course also me being light as possible being the biggest factor). I have ridden a lot of bikes and the ones that "feel" the best have a moderately "heavy" frame designed to be fairly stiff but not crazy stiff (heavy meaning at most the light end of a steel framed road bike) with extra sturdy rims that are also as light as possible. By far the biggest effects on "feel" however tend to be tires (skinny tires suck) as you can fine tune the pressure to the surface. And of course quality bearings in the BB and hubs can make a huge difference but once you get to a certain middle level they are all good enough. When the bike gets too light you feel the effect of bumps and terrain much more and it throws the bike around more (especially if you are "getting light" over said bumps). The lightest bikes also tend to be made for racing and can sometimes be on the ultra super stiff end of the spectrum.

deebosong 4y ago
I'm not that old, or have a super long history with cycling. But out of the handful of bikes I've ridden, I def prefer double-butted steel (over straight-gauge Hi-Ten, straight-gauge 4130, 90's aluminum, modern aluminum, modern steel gravel bikes) whether I'm going all-out, or cruisin. And even between 2 double-butted steel frames from different tubing manufacturers made for the same use-case more or less, they've felt different enough to me. At least that's how I felt after having put the same components on two steel framesets, and putting them both through about 2k miles each. One frameset was definitely more enjoyable, while the other felt lacking to the point where I wished it were the other bike. I have two relatives who have raced bikes in the past at high levels, and both owned stores. One of them was a stronger racer who didn't care about gear as much. The other was still a heavy hitter, but wasn't as naturally talented, and enjoyed the nuances between components way more. He and I seem to agree on things. I do know that tire pressure and width make a huge difference in plushness, but I still prefer a springier ride-feel from the steel I like, vs. even a modern steel gravel bike with 42's with lower PSI. I had such high hopes for that ride, but man, it just felt kinda muted and leaden, and I missed my steel road bike. But yeah everyone will have their personal prefs, subjective interpretations, and theories about what works for them and doesn't. Gimme that springy lightweight steel any day.
- Melatonic 4y ago
  You would probably love late 1980s high end touring bikes then - they are basically the best of the best of steel

deebosong 4y ago

I'm not that old, or have a super long history with cycling. But out of the handful of bikes I've ridden, I def prefer double-butted steel (over straight-gauge Hi-Ten, straight-gauge 4130, 90's aluminum, modern aluminum, modern steel gravel bikes) whether I'm going all-out, or cruisin. And even between 2 double-butted steel frames from different tubing manufacturers made for the same use-case more or less, they've felt different enough to me. At least that's how I felt after having put the same components on two steel framesets, and putting them both through about 2k miles each. One frameset was definitely more enjoyable, while the other felt lacking to the point where I wished it were the other bike. I have two relatives who have raced bikes in the past at high levels, and both owned stores. One of them was a stronger racer who didn't care about gear as much. The other was still a heavy hitter, but wasn't as naturally talented, and enjoyed the nuances between components way more. He and I seem to agree on things. I do know that tire pressure and width make a huge difference in plushness, but I still prefer a springier ride-feel from the steel I like, vs. even a modern steel gravel bike with 42's with lower PSI. I had such high hopes for that ride, but man, it just felt kinda muted and leaden, and I missed my steel road bike. But yeah everyone will have their personal prefs, subjective interpretations, and theories about what works for them and doesn't. Gimme that springy lightweight steel any day.

Melatonic 4y ago
You would probably love late 1980s high end touring bikes then - they are basically the best of the best of steel