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The easiest way to go lower is to live in a smaller house. Two people don't need 2,400 square feet.

disgruntledphd2 4y ago
That's almost three times the size of my family's home.
notatoad 4y ago
a smaller house, and fewer exterior walls. common walls instead of all exterior walls drastically reduce heating requirements. i understand that probably doesn't fit OP's lifestyle, and i'm not suggesting they move to an apartment. but i think it's important to acknowledge that dense urban living can have significant environmental benefits over the sort of self-sufficient, off-grid, rural lifestyle that's typically regarded as being more environmentally friendly. cities, and specifically apartments, are very efficient.
- realreality 4y ago
  Cities have never been and will never be sustainable. You can cram 100 people into an apartment building, but you’re never going to be able to grow all of their food in a rooftop garden. Although high density can be more energy efficient, it’s not the only metric to consider. Apartment dwellers are completely dependent on importing resources, while rural people at least have a chance at breaking the dependency.
  - immibis 4y ago
    You're saying that cities don't have enough surface area to collect the energy for their residents, but that's irrelevant since the energy doesn't have to be collected within the city. There's nothing unsustainable about a dense city core surrounded by fields. At best, you've proved that a planet composed entirely of cities is unsustainable. I hope nobody wants that, but sadly some people do.
    - realreality 4y ago
      It's relevant where the resources come from. If a city depends on importing from nearby or distant fields (as well as distant mines and factories), what happens if the people who live in those places do not want their land exploited for the benefit of city dwellers? That is why civilization is based on violence: https://derrickjensen.org/endgame/premises/ https://derrickjensen.org/endgame/premises/
axiolite 4y ago
Higher density living reduces heating costs... but it also increases summer cooling costs.
- realreality 4y ago
  I don’t see how 2 people living in a 500 square foot house in the mountains would have significant cooling needs. If you’re talking about high density in a concrete city, then cooling is a problem.

That's almost three times the size of my family's home.

a smaller house, and fewer exterior walls. common walls instead of all exterior walls drastically reduce heating requirements. i understand that probably doesn't fit OP's lifestyle, and i'm not suggesting they move to an apartment. but i think it's important to acknowledge that dense urban living can have significant environmental benefits over the sort of self-sufficient, off-grid, rural lifestyle that's typically regarded as being more environmentally friendly. cities, and specifically apartments, are very efficient.

realreality 4y ago
Cities have never been and will never be sustainable. You can cram 100 people into an apartment building, but you’re never going to be able to grow all of their food in a rooftop garden. Although high density can be more energy efficient, it’s not the only metric to consider. Apartment dwellers are completely dependent on importing resources, while rural people at least have a chance at breaking the dependency.
- immibis 4y ago
  You're saying that cities don't have enough surface area to collect the energy for their residents, but that's irrelevant since the energy doesn't have to be collected within the city. There's nothing unsustainable about a dense city core surrounded by fields. At best, you've proved that a planet composed entirely of cities is unsustainable. I hope nobody wants that, but sadly some people do.
  - realreality 4y ago
    It's relevant where the resources come from. If a city depends on importing from nearby or distant fields (as well as distant mines and factories), what happens if the people who live in those places do not want their land exploited for the benefit of city dwellers? That is why civilization is based on violence: https://derrickjensen.org/endgame/premises/ https://derrickjensen.org/endgame/premises/

axiolite 4y ago

Higher density living reduces heating costs... but it also increases summer cooling costs.

realreality 4y ago
I don’t see how 2 people living in a 500 square foot house in the mountains would have significant cooling needs. If you’re talking about high density in a concrete city, then cooling is a problem.