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I'm more concerned about my government having my data instead of a far away government tbh.

mtgx 4y ago
digianarchist 4y ago
Exactly. The CCP doesn't have jurisdiction over me last time I checked. Although that might be a growing concern as China strengthens relationships with other countries.
- movedx 4y ago
  I'd argue that's not true, though. They don't have legal jurisdiction over you, but they could potentially have digital or social jurisdiction over you and your environment, and that's possibly just as bad. Think manipulation of your local government, throwing elections in favour of pro-CCP candidates, and spreading pro-CCP material out to social media and the people around you becoming sympathetic to their cause.
  - dmz73 4y ago
    That's the wrong argument because if they infiltrate the local government then they will have access to locally collected data and won't need tiktok. Access to tiktok data gives China surveillance over US that could help in case of future conflicts, just look what Ukraine has done to Russian soldiers using insecure communications.
- parineum 4y ago
  When your future Senators have hours of compromising TikTok video in TikTok servers, you will be under their jurisdiction. China is magnificent at long term thinking.
bpodgursky 4y ago
There's a point here at which you have to just rely on your priors, but there's just a world of difference between Google and FB sharing data the US government requests on individuals via court orders, vs the CCP hoovering up data on every single user and using them to build a single giant social credit database. And yes, maybe everyone is lying to you, and the NSA is doing it already. Maybe they already have radios in your microwave building a database of your breakfasts. We just don't know. But at the end of the day I know a lot of people at Google and 100% of them would push back on governments requests as hard as humanly possible, and there would absolutely be whistleblowers if this was happening. I'm just not going to equate the two.
- cwkoss 4y ago
  You don't think the NSA/DHS has a giant social graph database of US citizens? I'd be shocked if they didn't.
  - bpodgursky 4y ago
    I don't, no. I do think they are obeying the letter of the legal mandates and have a social graph of all non citizens who have ever been to the US, or interacted with anyone from the US. But not US citizens, no.
    - infamouscow 4y ago
      Are you familiar with the whistleblower Edward Snowden?
fsckboy 4y ago
TFA says "national security threat", not personal privacy threat.
xienze 4y ago
> I'm more concerned about my government having my data instead of a far away government tbh. I presume you aren’t part of the crowd on HN/Reddit who are (still) upset that Russia used social media to “influence” the 2016 election? Imagine if say, a certain Asian country had detailed information about the habits and desires of millions of Americans, do you think they could do something similar in a future election?
- MiguelX413 4y ago
  I'm a full blown social media abolitionist. I'm upset about the propaganda wars conducted online. I'm frustrated by the difficulty of filtering through Russian, Chinese, and CIA propaganda online in order to understand history or current events. I do not think that Russia, China, the US, or private companies should have such capabilities.

mtgx 4y ago

Exactly. The CCP doesn't have jurisdiction over me last time I checked. Although that might be a growing concern as China strengthens relationships with other countries.

movedx 4y ago
I'd argue that's not true, though. They don't have legal jurisdiction over you, but they could potentially have digital or social jurisdiction over you and your environment, and that's possibly just as bad. Think manipulation of your local government, throwing elections in favour of pro-CCP candidates, and spreading pro-CCP material out to social media and the people around you becoming sympathetic to their cause.
- dmz73 4y ago
  That's the wrong argument because if they infiltrate the local government then they will have access to locally collected data and won't need tiktok. Access to tiktok data gives China surveillance over US that could help in case of future conflicts, just look what Ukraine has done to Russian soldiers using insecure communications.
parineum 4y ago
When your future Senators have hours of compromising TikTok video in TikTok servers, you will be under their jurisdiction. China is magnificent at long term thinking.

bpodgursky 4y ago

There's a point here at which you have to just rely on your priors, but there's just a world of difference between Google and FB sharing data the US government requests on individuals via court orders, vs the CCP hoovering up data on every single user and using them to build a single giant social credit database. And yes, maybe everyone is lying to you, and the NSA is doing it already. Maybe they already have radios in your microwave building a database of your breakfasts. We just don't know. But at the end of the day I know a lot of people at Google and 100% of them would push back on governments requests as hard as humanly possible, and there would absolutely be whistleblowers if this was happening. I'm just not going to equate the two.

cwkoss 4y ago
You don't think the NSA/DHS has a giant social graph database of US citizens? I'd be shocked if they didn't.
- bpodgursky 4y ago
  I don't, no. I do think they are obeying the letter of the legal mandates and have a social graph of all non citizens who have ever been to the US, or interacted with anyone from the US. But not US citizens, no.
  - infamouscow 4y ago
    Are you familiar with the whistleblower Edward Snowden?

fsckboy 4y ago

TFA says "national security threat", not personal privacy threat.

xienze 4y ago

> I'm more concerned about my government having my data instead of a far away government tbh. I presume you aren’t part of the crowd on HN/Reddit who are (still) upset that Russia used social media to “influence” the 2016 election? Imagine if say, a certain Asian country had detailed information about the habits and desires of millions of Americans, do you think they could do something similar in a future election?

MiguelX413 4y ago
I'm a full blown social media abolitionist. I'm upset about the propaganda wars conducted online. I'm frustrated by the difficulty of filtering through Russian, Chinese, and CIA propaganda online in order to understand history or current events. I do not think that Russia, China, the US, or private companies should have such capabilities.