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I dunno, this article reads... strange. I mean yeah, it is nice to be able to open it from front and rear. But what good does it make when they pair every sing

by _V_ 4y ago

I dunno, this article reads... strange. I mean yeah, it is nice to be able to open it from front and rear. But what good does it make when they pair every single component to the motherboard? Yeah, technically parts are more accessible (physically) but thats only the beginning of the repair process. And unless you can buy genuine parts without hassle and put them in, you are still SOL. To me it is like cheering that murderer did not also litter I mean I guess it is kinda nice of him, but...

wmeredith 4y ago
I think this is a big deal because far and away, the most common repairs made to iPhones are replacing the front or back.
- _V_ 4y ago
  Exactly and this is why Apple pairs the front part (and various other parts) to the motherboard. To make it easier or something. Got it
  - kaba0 4y ago
    I’m fairly sure that you have to plug in your monitor to your desktop PC, otherwise it is kind of hard to.. you know, use it.
    - _V_ 4y ago
      Yeah. And I'd like to get to the same state with iPhones :-) So they let me connect another monitor to my phone without hardwiring it together. Honestly, if they cared about "best user experience", they would have done digital signature of the LCD/cable and if OEM was detected, they could display something like "Hey, someone tampered with your phone and changed the screen using OEM parts". If not, they coud say "Hey, someone tampered with your phone and replaced screen with an unoriginal one. You might see some degradation in quality because of that".
varenc 4y ago
Making repairs much easier is still a huge win. We're also constantly moving the goalposts on Apple. The iPhone 11 had no public repair manuals and only special authorized repair centers could purchase genuine parts or perform the "System Configuration" pairing step. With the iPhone 12, 13, and SE we suddenly we got public repair manuals[0] and public access to genuine parts[1]. The "System Configuration" step still exists, but it's accessible to anyone and requires chating[2] with Apple/SPOT (their self repair subcontractor). Now the new iPhone 14 has been expensively re-engineered to make self repair easier. But you're saying because the same self-serve "System Configuration" step is required for some components it's all moot? Let's take a win when we get one. It could still be better, but the trend is definitely moving in the right direction. edit: Also not all repairs require motherboard pairing step, albeit the most common ones do. But you can replace the iPhone SE camera, taptic engine, SIM tray, and speaker without any System Configuration step. See the the SE repair manual [0]. -- [0] https://manuals.info.apple.com/MANUALS/2000/MA2049/en_US/iphone-se-3gen-07300333A-repair.pdf https://manuals.info.apple.com/MANUALS/2000/MA2049/en_US/iph... [1] https://selfservicerepair.com/order https://selfservicerepair.com/order [2] https://selfservicerepair.com/support https://selfservicerepair.com/support
- _V_ 4y ago
  I'm not moving goalposts at all. All I'd want is a way to get most of the parts from OEM & be able to install them. At the very least I'd expect to be able to swap: 1) Battery (consumable) 2) Front (LCD) 3) Back (either just the glass or the whole frame) But we have to be honest with ourselves here: what good is it to have a repair manual when you cannot buy genuine parts? I mean yeah, this is a small-ish win, but it will not help to say it is "good enough". Sorry, but that is just not good enough. The thing that pisses me the most is that I genuinely think that iPhones are amazing phones. They are quite nicely engineered and they easily could last you 5-8 years. Why put so much engineering effort to artificially cripple the device? Most of us will buy the new model anyway. And those who cannot (or don't want) should be able to keep theirs for as long as possible. It seems wastefull and unnecessary to fight it.
  - varenc 4y ago
Gigachad 4y ago
Because the rear glass was very common to break and Apple would not replace it because its borderline impossible. Now it seems very likely that they will offer it as a reasonably priced repair.
- _V_ 4y ago
  Yeah, I know. It was painfull process full of shattered glass. Reasonably priced repair - unless they found some random part glued to the backside that they paired to the motherboard for "security reasons" :-D

by _V_ 4y ago

wmeredith 4y ago

I think this is a big deal because far and away, the most common repairs made to iPhones are replacing the front or back.

_V_ 4y ago
Exactly and this is why Apple pairs the front part (and various other parts) to the motherboard. To make it easier or something. Got it
- kaba0 4y ago
  I’m fairly sure that you have to plug in your monitor to your desktop PC, otherwise it is kind of hard to.. you know, use it.
  - _V_ 4y ago
    Yeah. And I'd like to get to the same state with iPhones :-) So they let me connect another monitor to my phone without hardwiring it together. Honestly, if they cared about "best user experience", they would have done digital signature of the LCD/cable and if OEM was detected, they could display something like "Hey, someone tampered with your phone and changed the screen using OEM parts". If not, they coud say "Hey, someone tampered with your phone and replaced screen with an unoriginal one. You might see some degradation in quality because of that".

varenc 4y ago

Making repairs much easier is still a huge win. We're also constantly moving the goalposts on Apple. The iPhone 11 had no public repair manuals and only special authorized repair centers could purchase genuine parts or perform the "System Configuration" pairing step. With the iPhone 12, 13, and SE we suddenly we got public repair manuals[0] and public access to genuine parts[1]. The "System Configuration" step still exists, but it's accessible to anyone and requires chating[2] with Apple/SPOT (their self repair subcontractor). Now the new iPhone 14 has been expensively re-engineered to make self repair easier. But you're saying because the same self-serve "System Configuration" step is required for some components it's all moot? Let's take a win when we get one. It could still be better, but the trend is definitely moving in the right direction. edit: Also not all repairs require motherboard pairing step, albeit the most common ones do. But you can replace the iPhone SE camera, taptic engine, SIM tray, and speaker without any System Configuration step. See the the SE repair manual [0]. -- [0] https://manuals.info.apple.com/MANUALS/2000/MA2049/en_US/iphone-se-3gen-07300333A-repair.pdf https://manuals.info.apple.com/MANUALS/2000/MA2049/en_US/iph... [1] https://selfservicerepair.com/order https://selfservicerepair.com/order [2] https://selfservicerepair.com/support https://selfservicerepair.com/support

_V_ 4y ago
I'm not moving goalposts at all. All I'd want is a way to get most of the parts from OEM & be able to install them. At the very least I'd expect to be able to swap: 1) Battery (consumable) 2) Front (LCD) 3) Back (either just the glass or the whole frame) But we have to be honest with ourselves here: what good is it to have a repair manual when you cannot buy genuine parts? I mean yeah, this is a small-ish win, but it will not help to say it is "good enough". Sorry, but that is just not good enough. The thing that pisses me the most is that I genuinely think that iPhones are amazing phones. They are quite nicely engineered and they easily could last you 5-8 years. Why put so much engineering effort to artificially cripple the device? Most of us will buy the new model anyway. And those who cannot (or don't want) should be able to keep theirs for as long as possible. It seems wastefull and unnecessary to fight it.
- varenc 4y ago

Gigachad 4y ago

Because the rear glass was very common to break and Apple would not replace it because its borderline impossible. Now it seems very likely that they will offer it as a reasonably priced repair.

_V_ 4y ago
Yeah, I know. It was painfull process full of shattered glass. Reasonably priced repair - unless they found some random part glued to the backside that they paired to the motherboard for "security reasons" :-D