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Neimann has admitted to cheating in online chess matches and was banned from chess.com tournaments for some time. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/sep/07/

Neimann has admitted to cheating in online chess matches and was banned from chess.com tournaments for some time. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/sep/07/top-chess-player-hans-niemann-admits-cheating-in-past-but-says-he-is-now-clean https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/sep/07/top-chess-play... The current tournament is an online tournament.

__s 4y ago
Besides that, chess.com made a statement that Hans was not divulging the full extent of the truth I think at this point Magnus doesn't care whether Hans is cheating in any particular game. Magnus plays chess for fun, & he doesn't find it fun to play against someone who has previously cheated
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  If we want to go this far into euphemism and implication, remember that Magnus has something like a 20% stake in chess.com
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- Corazoor 4y ago
  I think it is worth pointing out that Chess.com did sign a contract to buy the Play Magnus Group last month. I dunno what to make of that, but this whole thing could have been handled a bit more professional...
karaterobot 4y ago
I'm surprised he's allowed to compete at that level anymore, especially in online tournaments. I'd think that would disqualify you permanently. I suppose there are examples of athletes in other sports who've been caught cheating and not kicked out of the sport. But one way in which those examples are different than this one is that in online chess, cheating could mean essentially letting a computer do everything for you. In other sports, for example baseball, a player who takes performance enhancers still has to play the game. Online chess allows for complete cheating, in other words.
- cwillu 4y ago
  While true in the extreme case, other comments have made the point that at this level, cheating can consist of very few bits of information: simply getting a “this particular move is very important” indication is enough to cause an upset; this is very much in line with your “still has to play the game” as you still have to be a strong enough player to figure out why this particular move is important.
ncmncm 4y ago
Niemann was a minor, in the other cases. Youthful indiscretion deserves forgiveness.
- JetSetIlly 4y ago
  He was a minor in the other cases he's admitted to. Chess.com has since asked him for comment on more recent accusations. There's no news on whether he's answered those accusations. https://www.chessdom.com/chess-com-explains-its-decision-to-remove-hans-niemann-from-the-platform-in-the-official-statement/ https://www.chessdom.com/chess-com-explains-its-decision-to-... I have no strong opinion on either player for what it's worth. I just think the situation is bad for the game.
  - 6nf 4y ago
    Yup and Magnus probably knows exactly how much Hans cheated on chess.com since Magnus is a large shareholder in chess.com. So the way I interpret this situation is that Magnus and chess.com is pressuring Hans and waiting for Hans to make a statement either refuting or admitting to even more cheating.
    - anonymousab 4y ago
      > and Magnus probably knows exactly how much Hans cheated on chess.com since Magnus is a large shareholder in chess.com. Alternatively, Chess.com is backing up Magnus' behavior because he is a large shareholder in Chess.com.
      - JetSetIlly 4y ago
        That's an accusation far more serious than accusing someone of cheating at online chess. But it's not impossible and I had considered the thought. Ultimately I have difficulty believing that the controlling powers of chess.com would go along with a scheme like that - they're not hard up for money. Here's an article from earlier this year about General Atlantic buying into the company. https://www.chess.com/news/view/chesscom-gets-major-investment https://www.chess.com/news/view/chesscom-gets-major-investme...

__s 4y ago

Besides that, chess.com made a statement that Hans was not divulging the full extent of the truth I think at this point Magnus doesn't care whether Hans is cheating in any particular game. Magnus plays chess for fun, & he doesn't find it fun to play against someone who has previously cheated

mrguyorama 4y ago
If we want to go this far into euphemism and implication, remember that Magnus has something like a 20% stake in chess.com
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Corazoor 4y ago
I think it is worth pointing out that Chess.com did sign a contract to buy the Play Magnus Group last month. I dunno what to make of that, but this whole thing could have been handled a bit more professional...

karaterobot 4y ago

I'm surprised he's allowed to compete at that level anymore, especially in online tournaments. I'd think that would disqualify you permanently. I suppose there are examples of athletes in other sports who've been caught cheating and not kicked out of the sport. But one way in which those examples are different than this one is that in online chess, cheating could mean essentially letting a computer do everything for you. In other sports, for example baseball, a player who takes performance enhancers still has to play the game. Online chess allows for complete cheating, in other words.

cwillu 4y ago
While true in the extreme case, other comments have made the point that at this level, cheating can consist of very few bits of information: simply getting a “this particular move is very important” indication is enough to cause an upset; this is very much in line with your “still has to play the game” as you still have to be a strong enough player to figure out why this particular move is important.

ncmncm 4y ago

Niemann was a minor, in the other cases. Youthful indiscretion deserves forgiveness.

JetSetIlly 4y ago
He was a minor in the other cases he's admitted to. Chess.com has since asked him for comment on more recent accusations. There's no news on whether he's answered those accusations. https://www.chessdom.com/chess-com-explains-its-decision-to-remove-hans-niemann-from-the-platform-in-the-official-statement/ https://www.chessdom.com/chess-com-explains-its-decision-to-... I have no strong opinion on either player for what it's worth. I just think the situation is bad for the game.
- 6nf 4y ago
  Yup and Magnus probably knows exactly how much Hans cheated on chess.com since Magnus is a large shareholder in chess.com. So the way I interpret this situation is that Magnus and chess.com is pressuring Hans and waiting for Hans to make a statement either refuting or admitting to even more cheating.
  - anonymousab 4y ago
    > and Magnus probably knows exactly how much Hans cheated on chess.com since Magnus is a large shareholder in chess.com. Alternatively, Chess.com is backing up Magnus' behavior because he is a large shareholder in Chess.com.
    - JetSetIlly 4y ago
      That's an accusation far more serious than accusing someone of cheating at online chess. But it's not impossible and I had considered the thought. Ultimately I have difficulty believing that the controlling powers of chess.com would go along with a scheme like that - they're not hard up for money. Here's an article from earlier this year about General Atlantic buying into the company. https://www.chess.com/news/view/chesscom-gets-major-investment https://www.chess.com/news/view/chesscom-gets-major-investme...