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Has Magnus even claimed Hans has cheated? Magnus is acting like a shitty bully. He's just letting everyone heap unfounded and ridiculous insinuations on his o

Has Magnus even claimed Hans has cheated? Magnus is acting like a shitty bully. He's just letting everyone heap unfounded and ridiculous insinuations on his opponent without having the courage to even make a statement.

Invictus0 4y ago
Oh please. How many times does Hans need to cheat before he is banned? I've been playing chess for a long time and never felt compelled to cheat, let alone in tournament, let alone cheat again after already being caught once. Hans also had this to say after he beat Carlsen: “It must be embarrassing for the world champion to lose to me. I feel bad for him!” Who is the bully here?
- asdajksah2123 4y ago
  You're right. I forgot Chess tournaments are blindfolded, so you don't know who is participating, and who you will be playing. Oh wait, that's totally not the case and Carlsen absolutely knew who he would be playing and knew the exact measures the tournament was taking and still hasn't had the balls to release a statement actually accusing Niemann of cheating, despite the fact that this is something everyone knows. Our brave Carlsen is too scared to make the claim that Hans is cheating despite this being something as obvious as the sky appearing blue. I'm not sure how this makes Carlsen look any better.
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    I'm sure you'd be a lot happier with him if he accused the guy of cheating with no evidence. Carlsen thinks he's cheating and doesn't want to play with him; it might be soap opera, but it's not assault. If you don't want to be accused of cheating with no concrete evidence, don't get caught cheating. It's obvious that he's a world-class player, but it's his responsibility alone to get past that bad reputation. Even after time passes and he gets away from it, people will still use it as a pretext to screw with him. But he earned that black mark just as much as he earned his playing skill. The smart move for Niemann is to be absurdly graceful about this, and eventually, hopefully, get Carlsen on his side (or at least neutral.)
  - slowmovintarget 4y ago
    Carlsen may have legal advice to avoid a statement.
  - __s 4y ago
    Niemann was a last minute substitution at Sinquefield
- mellosouls 4y ago
  According to his own account, Niemann was 12 and 16 when he cheated online and it was to bump twitch views and beef rating quickly to play better players. Doesn't excuse him, but he has acknowledged it and his shame and there is absolutely no evidence he has cheated over the board.
  - JacobThreeThree 4y ago
    >According to his own account, Niemann was 12 and 16 when he cheated online and it was to bump twitch views and beef rating quickly to play better players. Chess.com seems to have additional evidence of Hans cheating: https://twitter.com/chesscom/status/1568010971616100352 https://twitter.com/chesscom/status/1568010971616100352
    - mrguyorama 4y ago
      Otherwise known as "Uhhh we totally have evidence that he's bad, totally, definitely. No we can't show you because uhhhh reasons"
  - kbelder 4y ago
    You don't quickly beef your rating by cheating once.
pessimizer 4y ago
He would get a hell of a lot more flak for accusing him of cheating. Instead, he just makes it obvious what he thinks by refusing to play with him. I think it's classier.
- asdajksah2123 4y ago
  Lol, yeah, better to have the whole world speculate a f'ing teenager is cheating through vibrating anal beads. Yeah, that's totally classy.
  - patmcc 4y ago
    What could Magnus say that would satisfy you, exactly? "Niemann is definitely not cheating" would be silly. "I think he's cheating" would be terrible. "Let's allow the governing bodies to investigate" would be the status quo. What kind of statement should he make?
    - neaden 4y ago
      "I think Hans is cheating and want FIDE to investigate him and will not play him until they do."
      - bluecalm 4y ago
        Let's assume he thinks that (unlikely as FIDE isn't a very trustworthy or respected institution). Before saying so he asks his lawyer if it might get him on legal trouble. The answer is "yes it will". Magnus thus stays silent.
  - marcusverus 4y ago
    Neiman is a 19 year old man. Stop infantilizing him.
    - jprd 4y ago
      Honestly, this is a surprising statement. I imagine it comes from someone younger, and who has been through much strife? A human brain isn't fully developed at 19, just because we send 19y olds off to kill in wars doesn't mean they are adults and it certainly doesn't indicate infantilizing a young adult by allowing them growth. If we're talking about a 39y old man, then you can start proselytizing and comparing. Most of mid-life -> older is validating the "youth is wasted on the young" quote and turning into an old fart. A fudge-ton of humans never had this chance, that doesn't mean we can't grow and allow for it now where circumstances allow. I find this similar to the student loan forgiveness/free State College conversation in the US. It is almost as ridiculous as "originalism" in interpreting the U.S. Constitution. A document made to be updated at the will of the people, yet we must just adhere to what a 18th century aristocratic male landowner would have thought if presented with the question of <INSERT ANYTHING POST 1789>" Investigate him if there is cause, but not because of Magnus' tweets. Freely admitting to your mistakes and trying to learn from them is something to be encouraged. How people on HN pirated software or did gray-hat stuff when young, and where did it take you?
marcusverus 4y ago
He did, in his own roundabout way. He tweeted this video[0]. The meaning of which is explained here[1]. [0]https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mourinho+if+I+speak+i+am+in+big+trouble&view=detail&mid=A10C90E661DEFEB7ABB5A10C90E661DEFEB7ABB5&FORM=VIRE https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mourinho+if+I+speak+i+a... [1]https://soccerwhizz.com/if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-meaning/ https://soccerwhizz.com/if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-meani...
- PebblesRox 4y ago
  Wow, the cookie pop-up in that second link is something else. The toggle options are between orange and blue, with the default choices being orange. Which one means on and which one means off? They're both equally saturated. The switch points to the left on orange and to the right on blue. Then, the button choices at the bottom are "Got it!", "Deny" and "Save preferences." It seems like if I choose Deny, I am safe but I can't be sure! What am I denying exactly? And if I click Deny, does it matter how I set the switches above? If I click, I am in big trouble :P
  - marcusverus 4y ago
    Great comment. That modal caused me physical pain.

Invictus0 4y ago

Oh please. How many times does Hans need to cheat before he is banned? I've been playing chess for a long time and never felt compelled to cheat, let alone in tournament, let alone cheat again after already being caught once. Hans also had this to say after he beat Carlsen: “It must be embarrassing for the world champion to lose to me. I feel bad for him!” Who is the bully here?

asdajksah2123 4y ago
You're right. I forgot Chess tournaments are blindfolded, so you don't know who is participating, and who you will be playing. Oh wait, that's totally not the case and Carlsen absolutely knew who he would be playing and knew the exact measures the tournament was taking and still hasn't had the balls to release a statement actually accusing Niemann of cheating, despite the fact that this is something everyone knows. Our brave Carlsen is too scared to make the claim that Hans is cheating despite this being something as obvious as the sky appearing blue. I'm not sure how this makes Carlsen look any better.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  I'm sure you'd be a lot happier with him if he accused the guy of cheating with no evidence. Carlsen thinks he's cheating and doesn't want to play with him; it might be soap opera, but it's not assault. If you don't want to be accused of cheating with no concrete evidence, don't get caught cheating. It's obvious that he's a world-class player, but it's his responsibility alone to get past that bad reputation. Even after time passes and he gets away from it, people will still use it as a pretext to screw with him. But he earned that black mark just as much as he earned his playing skill. The smart move for Niemann is to be absurdly graceful about this, and eventually, hopefully, get Carlsen on his side (or at least neutral.)
- slowmovintarget 4y ago
  Carlsen may have legal advice to avoid a statement.
- __s 4y ago
  Niemann was a last minute substitution at Sinquefield
mellosouls 4y ago
According to his own account, Niemann was 12 and 16 when he cheated online and it was to bump twitch views and beef rating quickly to play better players. Doesn't excuse him, but he has acknowledged it and his shame and there is absolutely no evidence he has cheated over the board.
- JacobThreeThree 4y ago
  >According to his own account, Niemann was 12 and 16 when he cheated online and it was to bump twitch views and beef rating quickly to play better players. Chess.com seems to have additional evidence of Hans cheating: https://twitter.com/chesscom/status/1568010971616100352 https://twitter.com/chesscom/status/1568010971616100352
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    Otherwise known as "Uhhh we totally have evidence that he's bad, totally, definitely. No we can't show you because uhhhh reasons"
- kbelder 4y ago
  You don't quickly beef your rating by cheating once.

pessimizer 4y ago

He would get a hell of a lot more flak for accusing him of cheating. Instead, he just makes it obvious what he thinks by refusing to play with him. I think it's classier.

asdajksah2123 4y ago
Lol, yeah, better to have the whole world speculate a f'ing teenager is cheating through vibrating anal beads. Yeah, that's totally classy.
- patmcc 4y ago
  What could Magnus say that would satisfy you, exactly? "Niemann is definitely not cheating" would be silly. "I think he's cheating" would be terrible. "Let's allow the governing bodies to investigate" would be the status quo. What kind of statement should he make?
  - neaden 4y ago
    "I think Hans is cheating and want FIDE to investigate him and will not play him until they do."
    - bluecalm 4y ago
      Let's assume he thinks that (unlikely as FIDE isn't a very trustworthy or respected institution). Before saying so he asks his lawyer if it might get him on legal trouble. The answer is "yes it will". Magnus thus stays silent.
- marcusverus 4y ago
  Neiman is a 19 year old man. Stop infantilizing him.
  - jprd 4y ago
    Honestly, this is a surprising statement. I imagine it comes from someone younger, and who has been through much strife? A human brain isn't fully developed at 19, just because we send 19y olds off to kill in wars doesn't mean they are adults and it certainly doesn't indicate infantilizing a young adult by allowing them growth. If we're talking about a 39y old man, then you can start proselytizing and comparing. Most of mid-life -> older is validating the "youth is wasted on the young" quote and turning into an old fart. A fudge-ton of humans never had this chance, that doesn't mean we can't grow and allow for it now where circumstances allow. I find this similar to the student loan forgiveness/free State College conversation in the US. It is almost as ridiculous as "originalism" in interpreting the U.S. Constitution. A document made to be updated at the will of the people, yet we must just adhere to what a 18th century aristocratic male landowner would have thought if presented with the question of <INSERT ANYTHING POST 1789>" Investigate him if there is cause, but not because of Magnus' tweets. Freely admitting to your mistakes and trying to learn from them is something to be encouraged. How people on HN pirated software or did gray-hat stuff when young, and where did it take you?

marcusverus 4y ago

He did, in his own roundabout way. He tweeted this video[0]. The meaning of which is explained here[1]. [0]https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mourinho+if+I+speak+i+am+in+big+trouble&view=detail&mid=A10C90E661DEFEB7ABB5A10C90E661DEFEB7ABB5&FORM=VIRE https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mourinho+if+I+speak+i+a... [1]https://soccerwhizz.com/if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-meaning/ https://soccerwhizz.com/if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-meani...

PebblesRox 4y ago
Wow, the cookie pop-up in that second link is something else. The toggle options are between orange and blue, with the default choices being orange. Which one means on and which one means off? They're both equally saturated. The switch points to the left on orange and to the right on blue. Then, the button choices at the bottom are "Got it!", "Deny" and "Save preferences." It seems like if I choose Deny, I am safe but I can't be sure! What am I denying exactly? And if I click Deny, does it matter how I set the switches above? If I click, I am in big trouble :P
- marcusverus 4y ago
  Great comment. That modal caused me physical pain.