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Sure. Why should anything cost anything? Why should anyone have to subsidize people getting useless degrees at expensive colleges? Why can't you go to CCs and t

Sure. Why should anything cost anything? Why should anyone have to subsidize people getting useless degrees at expensive colleges? Why can't you go to CCs and then state schools for much less? For most people, the modern college experience is just extended high school with almost zero educational value. Most people are more suited to trade schools. The poor kids already have incredible access to scholarships. It's all just "I want it" thinking.

Turing_Machine 4y ago
You'd probably be surprised at how many of the student loans in default came from trade schools. I know the narrative is that all the people in student loan trouble majored in Bulgarian folk singing or whatever, but that's not anything like an accurate picture. The largest outright student loan cancellation in recent years was for former students of ITT Tech, which was a trade school.
- rustybelt 4y ago
  Was it? How many plumbers, carpenters, or electricians came out of ITT tech?
  - Turing_Machine 4y ago
    They had drafting and electronics technician programs, both of which would be considered trades, not professional degrees. "Trade school" generally includes stuff like that. Also cosmetology schools, truck driving schools, and so on.
    - ticviking 4y ago
      What happened a lot of the time is people choose the easiest program and it produces a wild oversupply in that field. Meanwhile we will basically always have an under supply of plumbers and septic technicians cause most folks hate the idea of working with sewage.
- throwoutway 4y ago
  > The largest outright student loan cancellation in recent years was for former students of ITT Tech, which was a trade school. I don’t see how A massive fraud is even a relevant argument here. This isn’t a trade school like welders, plumbers, etc. and it certainly doesn’t justify the non-fraud subsidies
troyvit 4y ago
Ehh if "I want it" was all it was about then why is the US so hilariously expensive for college compared to other countries? Looking around at my fellow Americans it doesn't seem to be because it makes us smarter that's for sure.

Turing_Machine 4y ago

You'd probably be surprised at how many of the student loans in default came from trade schools. I know the narrative is that all the people in student loan trouble majored in Bulgarian folk singing or whatever, but that's not anything like an accurate picture. The largest outright student loan cancellation in recent years was for former students of ITT Tech, which was a trade school.

rustybelt 4y ago
Was it? How many plumbers, carpenters, or electricians came out of ITT tech?
- Turing_Machine 4y ago
  They had drafting and electronics technician programs, both of which would be considered trades, not professional degrees. "Trade school" generally includes stuff like that. Also cosmetology schools, truck driving schools, and so on.
  - ticviking 4y ago
    What happened a lot of the time is people choose the easiest program and it produces a wild oversupply in that field. Meanwhile we will basically always have an under supply of plumbers and septic technicians cause most folks hate the idea of working with sewage.
throwoutway 4y ago
> The largest outright student loan cancellation in recent years was for former students of ITT Tech, which was a trade school. I don’t see how A massive fraud is even a relevant argument here. This isn’t a trade school like welders, plumbers, etc. and it certainly doesn’t justify the non-fraud subsidies

troyvit 4y ago

Ehh if "I want it" was all it was about then why is the US so hilariously expensive for college compared to other countries? Looking around at my fellow Americans it doesn't seem to be because it makes us smarter that's for sure.