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I don't play multiplayer games, but GTA single player are some of my favorite games. As long as there is a good single player campaign in GTA VI I'll buy it pre

I don't play multiplayer games, but GTA single player are some of my favorite games. As long as there is a good single player campaign in GTA VI I'll buy it pretty much immediately when it's available for PC, as I'm sure plenty of others will as well. I doubt this leak will affect the sales, although I can understand why the developers would prefer to not have their half finished work leaked like that. According to the thread on gtaforums it was allegedly the same hacker that recently hacked Uber. Will be interesting to read more about this when there's more info out, I assume they have something in common and that more companies are vulnerable.

afavour 4y ago
IIRC Uber was hacked via human weakness in multi-factor authentication. It’s actually something a ton of companies are vulnerable to so I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see it replicated here.
- shmde 4y ago
  Yes it was replicated here the same way as the uber hack. Using social engineering.
- sorenjan 4y ago
  Is this what zero trust is supposed to protect against? It's weird to let everyone have free reign over critical infrastructure and data once you gain access to the network. Are there any network security that uses AI to automatically detect and flag unusual behavior? For example, a regular developer doesn't need to port scan the entire network, the receptionist's computer doesn't need to log in to admin resources, support personnel doesn't need to access source code, etc. This should be possible to flag and let a human verify.
  - goodoldneon 4y ago
    Zero trust doesn’t mean 0 network segmentation. Zero trust is supposed to be the opposite of walled gardens
    - Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
      "Zero trust" is a buzzword with no real meaning, IMO.
  - not1ofU 4y ago
    Yes, - the tech is called UBA (user behaviour analytics.. or something) - over time it builds a baseline of what a user does in a typical day/ week/ month as part of their role, and if they deviate from that base pattern then an alert can be triggered on different thresholds - for example, why is a member of support downloading the entire production database (not that they should have access there, but you get my point)
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  That was the initial attack vector. But it looks like there has been a lot of lateral movement in that hack. I don't think a single user account would have had access to that much information and if it did that's part of the reason for the hack too, not just the initial breach method.
Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
Rockstar Games is coming for you in the sense that the even the map will be on DLCs
- hoffs 4y ago
  Soooo trueeee
koheripbal 4y ago
The story lines have been getting more and more shallow. Simple cooperative heists, killings, theft, etc, with very predictable gang assertion themes. They are investing far more time and effort into "online" - the leaks confirmed this. "Open worlds" lend themselves to shallow micro-stories. Maybe I'm being a grumpy old man, but in video game history, the best games were those that had complex character development, and novel worlds that supported a deep and thoughtful plot - something that would make the player have some emotional investment in. I don't see any evidence of that in recent GTA games.
- jeffwask 4y ago
  I played the GTA5 campaign twice it was brilliant. RDR2 had a brilliant campaign. I'm not giving up on Rockstar delivering a superlative campaign and multiplayer
  - logicalmonster 4y ago
    Rockstar has a jaw-droppingly great track record, and I can understand giving them the benefit of the doubt and having super high expectations. They're one of the few entities that has earned that respect. However with some of the trends in the gaming industry, as well as the heavier focus on multiplayer and transactions that nickel-and-dime customers, I'd personally temper my expectations about any future titles to avoid disappointment.
    - bobthepanda 4y ago
      In general, pre-ordering isn’t a great idea. Money is worth more now than in the future, and the quality and price of the game does not change significantly between the last day to preorder and the first day reviews drop.
      - icecap12 4y ago
        You’re absolutely right, I’m done preordering games. I didn’t do it much anyway, but nowadays it’s just not worth it. The most recent and egregious example that comes to my mind was the latest Battlefield. My goodness was that a turd, and lots of people felt rightfully burned after preordering that game and essentially getting a totally unfinished product.
22SAS 4y ago
>As long as there is a good single player campaign in GTA VI I'll buy it pretty much immediately when it's available Same here. I used to game a lot in high school and college, then I stopped. The only thing that ever gets me to fire up the console again is a new release of GTA and a new release of CoD (provided the story is good and not some futuristic crap). Last time was when the Modern Warfare reboot was released in 2019. The 2nd part is coming this year, so it looks I will be playing it as soon as it is available. Same with GTA VI, although I guess that will be a lot longer from now, given this hack.
Kukumber 4y ago
The common denominator is Slack, there is something fishy about Slack, some people might have breached them and are able to join what ever server they want Hence how they managed to download the whole "leaked" content from Slack message history Uber, now Rockstar, if i was wearing my conspiracy theorist hat, i would say it's that secretive group that operate Microsoft, either they want to force them to use azure, or, to spread FUD to facilitate a purchase, but that's too much for HN, i'll loose this account, again lol
- AlwaysRock 4y ago
  The common denominator is hardware, there is something fishy about hardware, some people might have breached it and are able to join what ever hardware they want. Sounds pretty silly to pick a random thing and say its the culprit huh?
  - Kukumber 4y ago
    Nothing can be more silly then a 16yo teenager from the UK leaking GTA 6 :) There is more to it than these pseudo rumors
- bastardoperator 4y ago
  I don't disagree that slack is a common denominator, but slack is owned by Salesforce and Heroku was recently hacked via AWS. If anything here is fishy, it's Salesforce owned/operated services.
dijit 4y ago
> I doubt this leak will affect the sales, although I can understand why the developers would prefer to not have their half finished work leaked like that. Speaking from experience: gamedev has a lot of things that get removed or rejigged. Leaks like these not only destroy the feel of the game as a finished product it also gives unrealistic promises. Case in point: There was a Snowdrop tech demo that got leaked which included "the division" with stealth mechanics. Such mechanics were technically impossible (for a lot of reasons I don't want to get into); but that leak had people going nuts because it looked cool. (to be perfectly fair to the hype-train: the division was oversold in an official E3 trailer in 2013 anyway; before Ubisoft had details of the next generation hardware specs, same year as watchdogs... oops.)
namelessoracle 4y ago
The commonality seems to be Slack. They either know some way to exploit Slack, or they have a setup to social engineer Slack in particular. (maybe both)

afavour 4y ago

IIRC Uber was hacked via human weakness in multi-factor authentication. It’s actually something a ton of companies are vulnerable to so I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see it replicated here.

shmde 4y ago
Yes it was replicated here the same way as the uber hack. Using social engineering.
sorenjan 4y ago
Is this what zero trust is supposed to protect against? It's weird to let everyone have free reign over critical infrastructure and data once you gain access to the network. Are there any network security that uses AI to automatically detect and flag unusual behavior? For example, a regular developer doesn't need to port scan the entire network, the receptionist's computer doesn't need to log in to admin resources, support personnel doesn't need to access source code, etc. This should be possible to flag and let a human verify.
- goodoldneon 4y ago
  Zero trust doesn’t mean 0 network segmentation. Zero trust is supposed to be the opposite of walled gardens
  - Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
    "Zero trust" is a buzzword with no real meaning, IMO.
- not1ofU 4y ago
  Yes, - the tech is called UBA (user behaviour analytics.. or something) - over time it builds a baseline of what a user does in a typical day/ week/ month as part of their role, and if they deviate from that base pattern then an alert can be triggered on different thresholds - for example, why is a member of support downloading the entire production database (not that they should have access there, but you get my point)
GekkePrutser 4y ago
That was the initial attack vector. But it looks like there has been a lot of lateral movement in that hack. I don't think a single user account would have had access to that much information and if it did that's part of the reason for the hack too, not just the initial breach method.

Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago

Rockstar Games is coming for you in the sense that the even the map will be on DLCs

hoffs 4y ago
Soooo trueeee

koheripbal 4y ago

The story lines have been getting more and more shallow. Simple cooperative heists, killings, theft, etc, with very predictable gang assertion themes. They are investing far more time and effort into "online" - the leaks confirmed this. "Open worlds" lend themselves to shallow micro-stories. Maybe I'm being a grumpy old man, but in video game history, the best games were those that had complex character development, and novel worlds that supported a deep and thoughtful plot - something that would make the player have some emotional investment in. I don't see any evidence of that in recent GTA games.

jeffwask 4y ago
I played the GTA5 campaign twice it was brilliant. RDR2 had a brilliant campaign. I'm not giving up on Rockstar delivering a superlative campaign and multiplayer
- logicalmonster 4y ago
  Rockstar has a jaw-droppingly great track record, and I can understand giving them the benefit of the doubt and having super high expectations. They're one of the few entities that has earned that respect. However with some of the trends in the gaming industry, as well as the heavier focus on multiplayer and transactions that nickel-and-dime customers, I'd personally temper my expectations about any future titles to avoid disappointment.
  - bobthepanda 4y ago
    In general, pre-ordering isn’t a great idea. Money is worth more now than in the future, and the quality and price of the game does not change significantly between the last day to preorder and the first day reviews drop.
    - icecap12 4y ago
      You’re absolutely right, I’m done preordering games. I didn’t do it much anyway, but nowadays it’s just not worth it. The most recent and egregious example that comes to my mind was the latest Battlefield. My goodness was that a turd, and lots of people felt rightfully burned after preordering that game and essentially getting a totally unfinished product.

22SAS 4y ago

>As long as there is a good single player campaign in GTA VI I'll buy it pretty much immediately when it's available Same here. I used to game a lot in high school and college, then I stopped. The only thing that ever gets me to fire up the console again is a new release of GTA and a new release of CoD (provided the story is good and not some futuristic crap). Last time was when the Modern Warfare reboot was released in 2019. The 2nd part is coming this year, so it looks I will be playing it as soon as it is available. Same with GTA VI, although I guess that will be a lot longer from now, given this hack.

Kukumber 4y ago

The common denominator is Slack, there is something fishy about Slack, some people might have breached them and are able to join what ever server they want Hence how they managed to download the whole "leaked" content from Slack message history Uber, now Rockstar, if i was wearing my conspiracy theorist hat, i would say it's that secretive group that operate Microsoft, either they want to force them to use azure, or, to spread FUD to facilitate a purchase, but that's too much for HN, i'll loose this account, again lol

AlwaysRock 4y ago
The common denominator is hardware, there is something fishy about hardware, some people might have breached it and are able to join what ever hardware they want. Sounds pretty silly to pick a random thing and say its the culprit huh?
- Kukumber 4y ago
  Nothing can be more silly then a 16yo teenager from the UK leaking GTA 6 :) There is more to it than these pseudo rumors
bastardoperator 4y ago
I don't disagree that slack is a common denominator, but slack is owned by Salesforce and Heroku was recently hacked via AWS. If anything here is fishy, it's Salesforce owned/operated services.

dijit 4y ago

> I doubt this leak will affect the sales, although I can understand why the developers would prefer to not have their half finished work leaked like that. Speaking from experience: gamedev has a lot of things that get removed or rejigged. Leaks like these not only destroy the feel of the game as a finished product it also gives unrealistic promises. Case in point: There was a Snowdrop tech demo that got leaked which included "the division" with stealth mechanics. Such mechanics were technically impossible (for a lot of reasons I don't want to get into); but that leak had people going nuts because it looked cool. (to be perfectly fair to the hype-train: the division was oversold in an official E3 trailer in 2013 anyway; before Ubisoft had details of the next generation hardware specs, same year as watchdogs... oops.)

namelessoracle 4y ago

The commonality seems to be Slack. They either know some way to exploit Slack, or they have a setup to social engineer Slack in particular. (maybe both)