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Intent to overthrow a free and fair election? Seditious conspiracy?

by freen 4y ago

LinuxBender 4y ago
Sure. If it can be proven that one has intent to commit a crime then law enforcement should step in to handle the situation. This is probably not appropriate for the platform to manage as they are not the executive branch. The platform should make a best-effort to provide enough information for law enforcement to take over and use verbiage that is compatible with the legal system.
- dylan604 4y ago
  >This is probably not appropriate for the platform to manage as they are not the executive branch. Not siding for private corps, but what happens when it is the executive branch doing the deeds that you are expecting the executive to crack down on?
  - LinuxBender 4y ago
    In my opinion that dilemma exists both inside and outside of tech. If my local Sheriff is abusing their authority then they must be removed and prosecuted. The same would be true for any branch of government. I accept that this is easier said than done, but it must be done.
- jnwatson 4y ago
  The Cloudflare-like “we are not the executive branch” is so wrong-headed it is hard to know where to start. Imagine an effective executive branch that can handle all such enforcement. The size would be massive. You’re implicitly asking for a Chinese-government-like internet monitor capable of charging tens of thousands of people a day.
  - LinuxBender 4y ago
    This is not an easy problem and I agree that I would not want a totalitarian style government to be put in place to solve this. Rather I believe there should be a group reporting mechanism that raises the visibility of content to law enforcement similar to Echelon [1] and give folks menu options and categories to route things to the correct organization. This system should also be transparent so that people can see their content is being reported or even see that their content is at risk. This system should dynamically adjust thresholds based on the number of agents signed on otherwise they could be overwhelmed by alert fatigue. So for example, if I create posts saying I am going to shoot up a place, people should be able to report that and based on my location the appropriate law enforcement agents should see a red light on their dashboard. Moderators should have votes with higher weight. Agents can then investigate the content and mark it is "false alert" or as "credible threat" thus raising visibility to partner agencies. False reporting must also have consequences or the system would be abused to DDoS the assorted agencies. People that do not wish to participate in such a system might in theory find some tech-savvy friends to host private servers for the conversations that would otherwise be flagged as inciting or committing a crime. This removes risk and liability from the platform, its investors and moves the liability to the people creating the risk. There are a myriad of self hosted platforms with varying degrees of complexity or simplicity. [1] - https://wikiless.tiekoetter.com/wiki/ECHELON?lang=en https://wikiless.tiekoetter.com/wiki/ECHELON?lang=en
api 4y ago
People are indeed going to jail for that right now. More are likely to follow. Some politicians will likely be barred from office. Swatting is a serious felony too and can get you serious time.

Intent to overthrow a free and fair election? Seditious conspiracy?

by freen 4y ago

Intent to overthrow a free and fair election? Seditious conspiracy?

Sure. If it can be proven that one has intent to commit a crime then law enforcement should step in to handle the situation. This is probably not appropriate for the platform to manage as they are not the executive branch. The platform should make a best-effort to provide enough information for law enforcement to take over and use verbiage that is compatible with the legal system.

dylan604 4y ago
>This is probably not appropriate for the platform to manage as they are not the executive branch. Not siding for private corps, but what happens when it is the executive branch doing the deeds that you are expecting the executive to crack down on?
- LinuxBender 4y ago
  In my opinion that dilemma exists both inside and outside of tech. If my local Sheriff is abusing their authority then they must be removed and prosecuted. The same would be true for any branch of government. I accept that this is easier said than done, but it must be done.
jnwatson 4y ago
The Cloudflare-like “we are not the executive branch” is so wrong-headed it is hard to know where to start. Imagine an effective executive branch that can handle all such enforcement. The size would be massive. You’re implicitly asking for a Chinese-government-like internet monitor capable of charging tens of thousands of people a day.
- LinuxBender 4y ago
  This is not an easy problem and I agree that I would not want a totalitarian style government to be put in place to solve this. Rather I believe there should be a group reporting mechanism that raises the visibility of content to law enforcement similar to Echelon [1] and give folks menu options and categories to route things to the correct organization. This system should also be transparent so that people can see their content is being reported or even see that their content is at risk. This system should dynamically adjust thresholds based on the number of agents signed on otherwise they could be overwhelmed by alert fatigue. So for example, if I create posts saying I am going to shoot up a place, people should be able to report that and based on my location the appropriate law enforcement agents should see a red light on their dashboard. Moderators should have votes with higher weight. Agents can then investigate the content and mark it is "false alert" or as "credible threat" thus raising visibility to partner agencies. False reporting must also have consequences or the system would be abused to DDoS the assorted agencies. People that do not wish to participate in such a system might in theory find some tech-savvy friends to host private servers for the conversations that would otherwise be flagged as inciting or committing a crime. This removes risk and liability from the platform, its investors and moves the liability to the people creating the risk. There are a myriad of self hosted platforms with varying degrees of complexity or simplicity. [1] - https://wikiless.tiekoetter.com/wiki/ECHELON?lang=en https://wikiless.tiekoetter.com/wiki/ECHELON?lang=en

api 4y ago

People are indeed going to jail for that right now. More are likely to follow. Some politicians will likely be barred from office. Swatting is a serious felony too and can get you serious time.