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It's your right to have an opinion, it's my right not to have to listen to it.

by xavor 4y ago

andrewclunn 4y ago
That's easy enough, don't read it, turn off your computer, follow the people saying things you want to hear from, etc... Oh you mean you don't want ANYONE to potentially hear those things, so that you might not accidentally come across a position you don't like? Yeah, that's called being fragile, and the sort of people you will empower if you push for that as policy are those who are more than happy to control the flow of information to their own ends / enrichment.
- vsareto 4y ago
  You can equally make the argument that whining about a post removed is also being fragile, just go to a different website, turn off the computer, start your own blog, etc. The difference now is that corporations have to allow this, and that if you don't want to deal with that content, you essentially have to not start a company because you can't moderate it, so it closes the door to the freedom of running opinionated companies, which is anti-thetical to conservative viewpoints.
  - ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
    You're still free to block the people you don't like.
houstonn 4y ago
It's my right to be able to hear it. As Frederick Douglass, a former slave and writer, wisely stated, “To suppress free speech is a double wrong. It violates the right of the hearer as well as those of the speaker. It is just as criminal to rob a man of his right to speak and hear as it would be to rob him of his money.”
- AstralStorm 4y ago
  It isn't your right to have a particular newspaper publish your particular opinion. It is your right to publish your own newspaper.
  - NayamAmarshe 4y ago
    This analogy doesn't work. Social Media is not newspaper, they're a printing machine letting you publish your own newspaper. You can't just register with a newspaper and post opinions for free. Social Media websites and platforms are acting as common carriers. They provide you an audience, without upfront cost. If they discriminate against you for an opinion their 'experts' do not like, they should suffer the consequences for it because social media websites, let me publish my own newspaper.
    - smaddox 4y ago
      > You can't just register with a newspaper and post opinions for free. You don't have to register to send a letter to the editor. The newspaper has discretion about whether or not to publish it. There's certainly a difference in scale, but I don't really see a fundamental difference in kind.
    - NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
      Exactly. People keep ginning up false analogies to justify censorship. If you create a service deliberately designed so that anyone can sign up and start posting things without so much as an employee approving their registration, then you've deliberately created what amounts to a public square. To then selectively censor people on such a platform is tantamount to a bait & switch. You promised people a public square, and then revoked that mechanism for people you disagree with. And if you think big tech doesn't all have the same bias, take a look at this graph: https://i.imgur.com/Si183zE.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Si183zE.jpg Social media like twitter and facebook aren't a newspaper. They're not a podcast. They're not a TV show. They're a digital public square. The sooner we collectively admit that, the better.
      - 4y ago
RichardCNormos 4y ago
An ideology that dies without censorship is not a very good one.
pilgrimfff 4y ago
Absolutely. But not your right to ensure that nobody can hear.
- rvz 4y ago
  > But not your right to ensure that nobody can hear. Exactly. On social networks, the block button is there for anyone to use if you don't want to hear it.
- OrangeMonkey 4y ago
  "I disapprove of what you say, and I will fight to the death to stop others from hearing you say it." - pretty sure this is a historic quote made into todays language.
OrangeMonkey 4y ago
Its a persons right to have an opinion, its your right to not listen to it. Its not your right to stop everyone else from having the opportunity to listen to it. "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Attributed to Voltaire but actually from SG Tallentyre 1906. A more accurate quote for todays crowd may be "I disapprove of what you say, and I will fight to the death to stop others from hearing you say it."

It's your right to have an opinion, it's my right not to have to listen to it.

by xavor 4y ago

It's your right to have an opinion, it's my right not to have to listen to it.

That's easy enough, don't read it, turn off your computer, follow the people saying things you want to hear from, etc... Oh you mean you don't want ANYONE to potentially hear those things, so that you might not accidentally come across a position you don't like? Yeah, that's called being fragile, and the sort of people you will empower if you push for that as policy are those who are more than happy to control the flow of information to their own ends / enrichment.

vsareto 4y ago
You can equally make the argument that whining about a post removed is also being fragile, just go to a different website, turn off the computer, start your own blog, etc. The difference now is that corporations have to allow this, and that if you don't want to deal with that content, you essentially have to not start a company because you can't moderate it, so it closes the door to the freedom of running opinionated companies, which is anti-thetical to conservative viewpoints.
- ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
  You're still free to block the people you don't like.

houstonn 4y ago

It's my right to be able to hear it. As Frederick Douglass, a former slave and writer, wisely stated, “To suppress free speech is a double wrong. It violates the right of the hearer as well as those of the speaker. It is just as criminal to rob a man of his right to speak and hear as it would be to rob him of his money.”

AstralStorm 4y ago
It isn't your right to have a particular newspaper publish your particular opinion. It is your right to publish your own newspaper.
- NayamAmarshe 4y ago
  This analogy doesn't work. Social Media is not newspaper, they're a printing machine letting you publish your own newspaper. You can't just register with a newspaper and post opinions for free. Social Media websites and platforms are acting as common carriers. They provide you an audience, without upfront cost. If they discriminate against you for an opinion their 'experts' do not like, they should suffer the consequences for it because social media websites, let me publish my own newspaper.
  - smaddox 4y ago
    > You can't just register with a newspaper and post opinions for free. You don't have to register to send a letter to the editor. The newspaper has discretion about whether or not to publish it. There's certainly a difference in scale, but I don't really see a fundamental difference in kind.
  - NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
    Exactly. People keep ginning up false analogies to justify censorship. If you create a service deliberately designed so that anyone can sign up and start posting things without so much as an employee approving their registration, then you've deliberately created what amounts to a public square. To then selectively censor people on such a platform is tantamount to a bait & switch. You promised people a public square, and then revoked that mechanism for people you disagree with. And if you think big tech doesn't all have the same bias, take a look at this graph: https://i.imgur.com/Si183zE.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Si183zE.jpg Social media like twitter and facebook aren't a newspaper. They're not a podcast. They're not a TV show. They're a digital public square. The sooner we collectively admit that, the better.
    - 4y ago

RichardCNormos 4y ago

An ideology that dies without censorship is not a very good one.

pilgrimfff 4y ago

Absolutely. But not your right to ensure that nobody can hear.

rvz 4y ago
> But not your right to ensure that nobody can hear. Exactly. On social networks, the block button is there for anyone to use if you don't want to hear it.
OrangeMonkey 4y ago
"I disapprove of what you say, and I will fight to the death to stop others from hearing you say it." - pretty sure this is a historic quote made into todays language.

OrangeMonkey 4y ago

Its a persons right to have an opinion, its your right to not listen to it. Its not your right to stop everyone else from having the opportunity to listen to it. "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Attributed to Voltaire but actually from SG Tallentyre 1906. A more accurate quote for todays crowd may be "I disapprove of what you say, and I will fight to the death to stop others from hearing you say it."