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Figma vs. Adobe XD

90 points by psnehanshu 4y ago

varorav 4y ago
Either the page is going down or the intention to keep Figma operating independently remains giving Adobe customers a choice between XD and Figma. Internal conflict of offerings from a company aren't new.. looking at both AWS and Azure..
- speedgoose 4y ago
  Maybe it’s a good strategy to saturate the market with your owns products. Like L'Oréal and its 3000 brands that fill the supermarkets.
  - Weatherweathe 4y ago
    Unlike loreal, keeping both alive prob means a lot of development cost.
    - makeitdouble 4y ago
      Looking at the number of products Adobe has and the money they make as a whole, they’ll probably be fine.
      - SXX 4y ago
        There is such a negative reaction on Adobe buying Figma exactly because Adobe has terrible track record here. They are more likely to cannibalize the product they acquire in order to kill competition to their existing offer. Figma offered much more for free compared to Adobe products.
achow 4y ago
Phew! The page is archived. https://archive.is/AuEtn https://archive.is/AuEtn
can16358p 4y ago
Interesting, I can view the page with no problems. Having said that, let's see how Adobe will try to merge these two tools into one.
- pavlov 4y ago
  Adobe doesn’t merge products after acquisitions, they just shut down the less popular one. Cf. Freehand, Fireworks, Director, GoLive…
  - mjhagen 4y ago
    CF is still around ;)
curiousgal 4y ago
> Figma will be forever free for students and educators. Forever™
- samhuk 4y ago
  I thought the exact same thing. If I had a dollar every time a company like this, e.g. Microsoft, promised the same thing... Just look at Microsoft buying Activision, saying they won't make Call of Duty Xbox exclusive. A few months later Sony already pointing out changed that are being made that are going in that direction. Honestly, anyone who believes that Figma will stay free for students is nieve, at best.
obilgic 4y ago
intentionally keeping the page up for few more weeks, so that outsiders can justify the move by adobe.
- achow 4y ago
  Figma was smart. But I use Photoshop and Illustrator… Don’t stop! We believe you should use the best tool for the job. If you’re photo-editing, choose Adobe Photoshop. If you’re doing detailed illustrations, Adobe Illustrator is a no-brainer.
  - capableweb 4y ago
    > Don’t stop! We believe you should use the best tool for the job. If you’re photo-editing, choose Adobe Photoshop. If you’re doing detailed illustrations, Adobe Illustrator is a no-brainer. Meanwhile, the acquisition message from Adobe was something like "We can't wait to make Figma better for photographers and illustrators". Infamous "Everything will grow until it has X" and now it's Figma's turn.
  - arkitaip 4y ago
    Shit I've ever thought about until now but I wonder how Adobe will cripple Figma to stop if from competing with their other products. I know tons of designers who do illustrations and simpler en graphics in Figma.
- that_guy_iain 4y ago
  Why would anyone need this page to justify Adobe's move? I would think the straight up adoption rate of Figma alone would easily justify it to pretty much anyone.
croes 4y ago
"Faster in the cloud With Figma, your files just live on the Web. No more version mixups. No more cloud syncing. No more transferring files between your work and personal computers." In other words, your data doesn't belong to you. No service, no data. There is no cloud just other people's computer.
- pavlov 4y ago
  And this is why Adobe is paying so much for Figma: they’ve built the kind of closed data garden that Adobe wants to own across its whole product range. Every year it becomes a bit harder to find the “default to local file system” setting in Photoshop (it’s off on a fresh install). Every year the UI for Creative Cloud files becomes a bit bigger. Eventually access to local files is probably going to be locked behind an administrator password with scary warning dialogs.
  - 7952 4y ago
    Exactly. They want to be the Microsoft teams of media. The individual apps are less important than the ecosystem and network effects.
  - de_keyboard 4y ago
    I hate it but will probably pick up some stock.
    - eurasiantiger 4y ago
      You are an enabler. Are you not ashamed of your choices?
  - glenneroo 4y ago
    You can't even disable it completely, at best in e.g. Lightroom you can pause the cloud sync and it may get re-enabled without your consent. You will only notice that your upload bandwidth is suddenly saturated and if you have a monitoring tool installed, are you able to determine who is the culprit. It once chewed through my meager monthly quota overnight when I installed it on a laptop prior to going to a friend's house who didn't have internet while tethered to my phone. I was very unhappy about that "feature" to say the least.
RealCodingOtaku 4y ago
In case someone didn't know, Figma is being acquired buy Adobe. This post will not stay up for long. https://www.figma.com/blog/a-new-collaboration-with-adobe/ https://www.figma.com/blog/a-new-collaboration-with-adobe/
- throw_m239339 4y ago
  well now it's archived: https://archive.ph/AuEtn https://archive.ph/AuEtn
nimbix 4y ago
Isn't XD pretty much dead? The last release that wasn't just bugfixes happened a year ago, while before that they were pushing out something new every month or two.
- capableweb 4y ago
  Probably they stopped investing in XD as soon as acquiring Figma became an idea, which must have been a long time ago.
- gherkinnn 4y ago
  Unrelated, but XD is such a stupid name. Reminds me of my teenage texting days xD
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
- chupchap 4y ago
  Figma has amazing collaboration features but working on larger projects on figma is terrible. It gets very glitchy and doesn't match the responsiveness of XD in my limited experience.
  - arkitaip 4y ago
    It's also trivial to create mockups that never finish loading in the share view. Still the best design collab tool, though.
- pwdisswordfish9 4y ago
  Yeah, I haven’t seen that emoticon in years.
gherkinnn 4y ago
> Also, pay attention to the Adobe XD’s sharing and cloud storage limits. The Starter plan allows for one shared file and 2GB of file storage. With Figma, sharing and cloud storage is unlimited. Let’s pay attention to Adobe FG‘s upcoming limits then.
zhiQ 4y ago
Should rename this to Why Adobe acquire Figma?
- michelb 4y ago
  So they can build all of their CC apps on the Figma tech.
sidjor 4y ago
Not many realize that when you use an adobe product you are giving them a right to conduct an audit of your organization. These are typically fishing expeditions by consulting companies like E&Y. The last time they sent one of these mails - I had bluntly told them their products are crap and we are heavy users of figma. From https://www.adobe.com/in/legal/terms.html https://www.adobe.com/in/legal/terms.html 15. Audit Rights. If you are a Business, then we may, no more than once every 12 months, upon seven 7 days’ prior notice to you, appoint our personnel or an independent third-party auditor who is obliged to maintain confidentiality to inspect (including manual inspection, electronic methods, or both) your records, systems, and facilities to verify that your installation and use of any and all Services or Software is in conformity with its valid licenses from us. Additionally, you will provide us with all records and information requested by us within 30 days of our request in order for us to verify that the installation and use of any and all Services and Software is in conformity with your valid licenses. If the verification discloses a shortfall in licenses for the Services or Software, you will immediately acquire any necessary licenses, subscriptions, and applicable back maintenance and support. If the underpaid fees exceed 5% of the value of the payable license fees, then you will also pay for our reasonable cost of conducting the verification.
- _2d30 4y ago
  This is pretty standard for B2B software that is licensed at a user or node level or similar.
  - sidjor 4y ago
    Yes, but no-one does this without evidence. These terms apply even if you use any of their free stuff like acrobat reader. And even when you trial any of their apps. Not to mention they stopped doing these kind of audits in US per my understanding. In other countries they still seem to be doing them. There is a whole set of firms to help you with these audits.
    - Closi 4y ago
      > Yes, but no-one does this without evidence cough nobody mention Oracle cough
esprehn 4y ago
"Figma will be forever free for students and educators." Curious to see if they honor that, and for how long. Adobe products are heavily discounted but not free for students or educators.
sc07L4ng 4y ago

90 points by psnehanshu 4y ago

Either the page is going down or the intention to keep Figma operating independently remains giving Adobe customers a choice between XD and Figma. Internal conflict of offerings from a company aren't new.. looking at both AWS and Azure..

speedgoose 4y ago
Maybe it’s a good strategy to saturate the market with your owns products. Like L'Oréal and its 3000 brands that fill the supermarkets.
- Weatherweathe 4y ago
  Unlike loreal, keeping both alive prob means a lot of development cost.
  - makeitdouble 4y ago
    Looking at the number of products Adobe has and the money they make as a whole, they’ll probably be fine.
    - SXX 4y ago
      There is such a negative reaction on Adobe buying Figma exactly because Adobe has terrible track record here. They are more likely to cannibalize the product they acquire in order to kill competition to their existing offer. Figma offered much more for free compared to Adobe products.

achow 4y ago

Phew! The page is archived. https://archive.is/AuEtn https://archive.is/AuEtn

can16358p 4y ago

Interesting, I can view the page with no problems. Having said that, let's see how Adobe will try to merge these two tools into one.

pavlov 4y ago
Adobe doesn’t merge products after acquisitions, they just shut down the less popular one. Cf. Freehand, Fireworks, Director, GoLive…
- mjhagen 4y ago
  CF is still around ;)

curiousgal 4y ago

> Figma will be forever free for students and educators. Forever™

samhuk 4y ago
I thought the exact same thing. If I had a dollar every time a company like this, e.g. Microsoft, promised the same thing... Just look at Microsoft buying Activision, saying they won't make Call of Duty Xbox exclusive. A few months later Sony already pointing out changed that are being made that are going in that direction. Honestly, anyone who believes that Figma will stay free for students is nieve, at best.

obilgic 4y ago

intentionally keeping the page up for few more weeks, so that outsiders can justify the move by adobe.

achow 4y ago
Figma was smart. But I use Photoshop and Illustrator… Don’t stop! We believe you should use the best tool for the job. If you’re photo-editing, choose Adobe Photoshop. If you’re doing detailed illustrations, Adobe Illustrator is a no-brainer.
- capableweb 4y ago
  > Don’t stop! We believe you should use the best tool for the job. If you’re photo-editing, choose Adobe Photoshop. If you’re doing detailed illustrations, Adobe Illustrator is a no-brainer. Meanwhile, the acquisition message from Adobe was something like "We can't wait to make Figma better for photographers and illustrators". Infamous "Everything will grow until it has X" and now it's Figma's turn.
- arkitaip 4y ago
  Shit I've ever thought about until now but I wonder how Adobe will cripple Figma to stop if from competing with their other products. I know tons of designers who do illustrations and simpler en graphics in Figma.
that_guy_iain 4y ago
Why would anyone need this page to justify Adobe's move? I would think the straight up adoption rate of Figma alone would easily justify it to pretty much anyone.

croes 4y ago

"Faster in the cloud With Figma, your files just live on the Web. No more version mixups. No more cloud syncing. No more transferring files between your work and personal computers." In other words, your data doesn't belong to you. No service, no data. There is no cloud just other people's computer.

pavlov 4y ago
And this is why Adobe is paying so much for Figma: they’ve built the kind of closed data garden that Adobe wants to own across its whole product range. Every year it becomes a bit harder to find the “default to local file system” setting in Photoshop (it’s off on a fresh install). Every year the UI for Creative Cloud files becomes a bit bigger. Eventually access to local files is probably going to be locked behind an administrator password with scary warning dialogs.
- 7952 4y ago
  Exactly. They want to be the Microsoft teams of media. The individual apps are less important than the ecosystem and network effects.
- de_keyboard 4y ago
  I hate it but will probably pick up some stock.
  - eurasiantiger 4y ago
    You are an enabler. Are you not ashamed of your choices?
- glenneroo 4y ago
  You can't even disable it completely, at best in e.g. Lightroom you can pause the cloud sync and it may get re-enabled without your consent. You will only notice that your upload bandwidth is suddenly saturated and if you have a monitoring tool installed, are you able to determine who is the culprit. It once chewed through my meager monthly quota overnight when I installed it on a laptop prior to going to a friend's house who didn't have internet while tethered to my phone. I was very unhappy about that "feature" to say the least.

RealCodingOtaku 4y ago

In case someone didn't know, Figma is being acquired buy Adobe. This post will not stay up for long. https://www.figma.com/blog/a-new-collaboration-with-adobe/ https://www.figma.com/blog/a-new-collaboration-with-adobe/

throw_m239339 4y ago
well now it's archived: https://archive.ph/AuEtn https://archive.ph/AuEtn

nimbix 4y ago

Isn't XD pretty much dead? The last release that wasn't just bugfixes happened a year ago, while before that they were pushing out something new every month or two.

capableweb 4y ago
Probably they stopped investing in XD as soon as acquiring Figma became an idea, which must have been a long time ago.
gherkinnn 4y ago
Unrelated, but XD is such a stupid name. Reminds me of my teenage texting days xD
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
chupchap 4y ago
Figma has amazing collaboration features but working on larger projects on figma is terrible. It gets very glitchy and doesn't match the responsiveness of XD in my limited experience.
- arkitaip 4y ago
  It's also trivial to create mockups that never finish loading in the share view. Still the best design collab tool, though.
pwdisswordfish9 4y ago
Yeah, I haven’t seen that emoticon in years.

gherkinnn 4y ago

> Also, pay attention to the Adobe XD’s sharing and cloud storage limits. The Starter plan allows for one shared file and 2GB of file storage. With Figma, sharing and cloud storage is unlimited. Let’s pay attention to Adobe FG‘s upcoming limits then.

zhiQ 4y ago

Should rename this to Why Adobe acquire Figma?

michelb 4y ago
So they can build all of their CC apps on the Figma tech.

sidjor 4y ago

Not many realize that when you use an adobe product you are giving them a right to conduct an audit of your organization. These are typically fishing expeditions by consulting companies like E&Y. The last time they sent one of these mails - I had bluntly told them their products are crap and we are heavy users of figma. From https://www.adobe.com/in/legal/terms.html https://www.adobe.com/in/legal/terms.html 15. Audit Rights. If you are a Business, then we may, no more than once every 12 months, upon seven 7 days’ prior notice to you, appoint our personnel or an independent third-party auditor who is obliged to maintain confidentiality to inspect (including manual inspection, electronic methods, or both) your records, systems, and facilities to verify that your installation and use of any and all Services or Software is in conformity with its valid licenses from us. Additionally, you will provide us with all records and information requested by us within 30 days of our request in order for us to verify that the installation and use of any and all Services and Software is in conformity with your valid licenses. If the verification discloses a shortfall in licenses for the Services or Software, you will immediately acquire any necessary licenses, subscriptions, and applicable back maintenance and support. If the underpaid fees exceed 5% of the value of the payable license fees, then you will also pay for our reasonable cost of conducting the verification.

_2d30 4y ago
This is pretty standard for B2B software that is licensed at a user or node level or similar.
- sidjor 4y ago
  Yes, but no-one does this without evidence. These terms apply even if you use any of their free stuff like acrobat reader. And even when you trial any of their apps. Not to mention they stopped doing these kind of audits in US per my understanding. In other countries they still seem to be doing them. There is a whole set of firms to help you with these audits.
  - Closi 4y ago
    > Yes, but no-one does this without evidence cough nobody mention Oracle cough

esprehn 4y ago

"Figma will be forever free for students and educators." Curious to see if they honor that, and for how long. Adobe products are heavily discounted but not free for students or educators.

sc07L4ng 4y ago