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Check https://www.cryptokitties.co/guide/ways-to-play https://www.cryptokitties.co/guide/ways-to-play The reason it seems like they didn't describe the "actual

by naet 4y ago

Check https://www.cryptokitties.co/guide/ways-to-play https://www.cryptokitties.co/guide/ways-to-play The reason it seems like they didn't describe the "actual game" is that there is no actual "gameplay". You just pay to collect cats. You can trade the cat tokens with other people, try to sell them on the marketplace, pay to generate semi randomized new cat tokens via "breeding", and... just have them under your wallet / name. There is no action, no RPG, no platforming, no game board... basically nothing besides collecting and swapping tokens. They actually do show the entire "gameplay loop" in this image from the article: https://spectrum.ieee.org/media-library/a-flow-chart-with-arrows-between-cartoon-kittens.jpg?id=30811836&width=1984&quality=80 https://spectrum.ieee.org/media-library/a-flow-chart-with-ar... They encourage you to collect more with timed events, where you "win" a bonus for having collected a certain type of cat token, but that's about it. If you're of a certain generation, you might remember a craze of kids collecting and trading Pokemon cards, and never really playing the game. It's basically like that except there is no underlying game to play, all you have are the tradable cards.

Seanambers 4y ago
It was all just marketing all along :) Thanks for the enlightening comment!
im3w1l 4y ago
I remember the craze around collecting the cards without really playing the game. And then, separately, playing the game without collecting the cards, with the "Pokemon Trading Card Game" for game boy.
pwillia7 4y ago
There is a magic the gathering like trading card game on ethereum that seems neat. I doubt it will get big enough to make sense, but having come from paper MTG as a kid and not being able to really digitally collect cards since... that would be super cool. You would actually 'own' the cards.
- Aaronstotle 4y ago
  Are you talking about sky weaver? I started playing it and I am having fun, unfortunately I'm not good enough to beat any real players though.
  - pwillia7 4y ago
    Haven't heard of sky weaver -- It was listed here, but none of these are ringing a bell, so I think it maybe already died! https://ethereum.org/en/dapps/?category=gaming https://ethereum.org/en/dapps/?category=gaming
- cbm-vic-20 4y ago
  This is one of the few areas where I think there's a legitimately useful role for NFTs. WoTC (the owners of MtG) could "mint" a limited number of cards each year, just like today, controlling the rarity of certain ones, etc. People could pay WoTC for them, and they could be traded in the blockchain, which shows the "chain of custody" all the way back to WoTC, which is what makes it "authentic". Online tournaments could check your ownership of cards via the blockchain, and I can even see IRL tournaments checking the blockchain too, if you want to print a copy of your card. They already do this sort of thing with MtG Online, I think you can purchase and trade cards in-game. They also let you send them physical cards, and they will give you the in-game card in your account in return. Not sure if they go the other way around. From WoTC's perspective, one of the downsides of a "public" blockchain would be that they don't get a cut of any transaction beyond the first one.
  - rideontime 4y ago
    > They already do this sort of thing with MtG Online Exactly. They can track all this stuff in their own database. WotC doesn't stand to benefit from putting anything on a blockchain.
    - aaroninsf 4y ago
      Generalized case: no one stands to benefit from putting such things on a blockchain. Except the people making money by running or grifting off a blockchain.
max51 4y ago
>It's basically like that except there is no underlying game to play, Do you think anyone paying >1k for a Pokémon or Magic card is actually using them to play?! That shit is in a sealed case and only sees daylight to impress people or to resell it. I've met collectors who use home printed cards because they are too scared to damage even 10$ cards.
- 2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
  But you can choose what to do with your cards. And there are formats that don't need you to spend tons of money to have fun.
- Jack000 4y ago
  they should set up a fractional reserve system, where you deposit your valuable cards at a card bank and get a "card voucher" you can then use to play actual games with. The card bank could then lend out the cards to other players for profit. over time, you may not even need the actual cards anymore and just have the vouchers.
- mahkeiro 4y ago
  Yes I do! My legacy decks have a value between 5-10k and they see play almost every week. Just go to a tournament to see people playing with the real cards as proxy are not allowed. For Magic the high price is mainly driven by the need to have copies to be able to play.
dexwiz 4y ago
> Why breed Purrstige Traits? Breeding a Purrstige Trait can be challenging, but it’s rewarding too. Because Purrstige Traits are time-limited, they’re particularly rare — and especially valued as a result. Plus, Purrstige Traits are always a nice visual treat, creating some of the game’s most beautiful and unique cats. From the docs, lots of talk about value. Not much reason why. It reminds me of the Beanie Babies Valuation books. Made everyone scream over a $7 plushie.
- kirbys-memeteam 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania “A fool and his money…”
  - junofan 4y ago
    If you were gambling on tulip futures in taverns, you knew exactly what you were doing.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
- secretsatan 4y ago
  What is challenging about it?
- nazka 4y ago
  I can’t wait for the world to wake up from this insanity.
  - dexwiz 4y ago
    They won't ever. Some part of the population will always fall for it. Hope is a powerful emotional that overrides all logic.
    - nazka 4y ago
hnick 4y ago
Has anyone done something similar for a "gacha waifu" type game ala Genshin Impact? If they get the random generator making nice looking characters, I can see the ability to trade unique and attractive characters appealing to some. But it has to be backed by a decent game.
- jhanschoo 4y ago
  This isn't crypto and I don't know if things are tradable, but Arrowmancer checks the waifu and randomly generated aspect.
  - hnick 4y ago
    Thanks that's interesting. Crypto isn't required for trade of course but I guess one place it helps is that the developer doesn't need to implement the trade details themselves, just read results from the blockchain. Not sure if this is even possible at the fidelity level people would want though without external data hosting, most NFTs I heard about just link to a resource on a server anyway, and that could be troublesome in a game.
  - Cixelyn 4y ago
    dev here: the characters aren't tradeable atm. but something we do allow is for players to create characters on the main waifulabs site[1], and then share QR import codes of that custom characters with friends. [1] https://waifulabs.com https://waifulabs.com
- nitwit005 4y ago
  With 2D, rather than 3D: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sizigi.wcorp&hl=en_US&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sizigi.wco...
gremlinsinc 4y ago
Back in 2002 I used to hang out in Yahoo pool rooms. I was in a league even. At the time a lot of people in there were cracking Yahoo rares. Names that you can't make as username anymore. Most coveted were ones with capitals, special characters, underscores at the beginning. People bought and sold those for thousands of dollars. That made more sense to me than these crypto games. Those were at least something scarce and not manufactured. They had intrinsic value, especially for the cracker because they had to come up with name lists, and brute force the passwords, and use potentially trojan ridden hacking tools from shady phpnuke sites. The usernames were pretty cool in contrast with the new username rules Yahoo had. Card trading just seems boring AF.
- themoonisachees 4y ago
  You might be interested in minecraft name trading. Much of the same things ring familiar with what you said
- demented 4y ago
  Yea i miss those days. I have 1 id still left out of all the ones i had. You_can_suck_it_just_dont_bite
- demented 4y ago
  The other ones i had i was young at the time and dumb and let someone hold onto them and they got me never heard from him again good ones too
raverbashing 4y ago
Probably slightly less dumb than collecting bored money pictures. But only slightly.
TheCapeGreek 4y ago
Neopets, Valenth & more come to mind as early 2000s crypto-less versions of this. You can make the exact same comments about the fun-ness of those games. And yet people loved them. So yes, crypto is the focus and yes, gameplay is lacking (for those who seek different kinds of games). But those are separate issues rather than related. In other words, CryptoKitties innovation was never going to be gameplay, because it is explicitly a clone of pet collecting games of yore with the spin being different underlying infrastructure & payments technology.
- secretsatan 4y ago
  Those were just kids games no? Monetizing something like that with the crazy fluctuations in prices seems incredibly problematic, kids can trade cards for sure, but when you tie money to every transaction it looks more like selling cigarettes to kids

by naet 4y ago

Seanambers 4y ago

It was all just marketing all along :) Thanks for the enlightening comment!

im3w1l 4y ago

I remember the craze around collecting the cards without really playing the game. And then, separately, playing the game without collecting the cards, with the "Pokemon Trading Card Game" for game boy.

pwillia7 4y ago

There is a magic the gathering like trading card game on ethereum that seems neat. I doubt it will get big enough to make sense, but having come from paper MTG as a kid and not being able to really digitally collect cards since... that would be super cool. You would actually 'own' the cards.

Aaronstotle 4y ago
Are you talking about sky weaver? I started playing it and I am having fun, unfortunately I'm not good enough to beat any real players though.
- pwillia7 4y ago
  Haven't heard of sky weaver -- It was listed here, but none of these are ringing a bell, so I think it maybe already died! https://ethereum.org/en/dapps/?category=gaming https://ethereum.org/en/dapps/?category=gaming
cbm-vic-20 4y ago
This is one of the few areas where I think there's a legitimately useful role for NFTs. WoTC (the owners of MtG) could "mint" a limited number of cards each year, just like today, controlling the rarity of certain ones, etc. People could pay WoTC for them, and they could be traded in the blockchain, which shows the "chain of custody" all the way back to WoTC, which is what makes it "authentic". Online tournaments could check your ownership of cards via the blockchain, and I can even see IRL tournaments checking the blockchain too, if you want to print a copy of your card. They already do this sort of thing with MtG Online, I think you can purchase and trade cards in-game. They also let you send them physical cards, and they will give you the in-game card in your account in return. Not sure if they go the other way around. From WoTC's perspective, one of the downsides of a "public" blockchain would be that they don't get a cut of any transaction beyond the first one.
- rideontime 4y ago
  > They already do this sort of thing with MtG Online Exactly. They can track all this stuff in their own database. WotC doesn't stand to benefit from putting anything on a blockchain.
  - aaroninsf 4y ago
    Generalized case: no one stands to benefit from putting such things on a blockchain. Except the people making money by running or grifting off a blockchain.

max51 4y ago

>It's basically like that except there is no underlying game to play, Do you think anyone paying >1k for a Pokémon or Magic card is actually using them to play?! That shit is in a sealed case and only sees daylight to impress people or to resell it. I've met collectors who use home printed cards because they are too scared to damage even 10$ cards.

2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
But you can choose what to do with your cards. And there are formats that don't need you to spend tons of money to have fun.
Jack000 4y ago
they should set up a fractional reserve system, where you deposit your valuable cards at a card bank and get a "card voucher" you can then use to play actual games with. The card bank could then lend out the cards to other players for profit. over time, you may not even need the actual cards anymore and just have the vouchers.
mahkeiro 4y ago
Yes I do! My legacy decks have a value between 5-10k and they see play almost every week. Just go to a tournament to see people playing with the real cards as proxy are not allowed. For Magic the high price is mainly driven by the need to have copies to be able to play.

dexwiz 4y ago

> Why breed Purrstige Traits? Breeding a Purrstige Trait can be challenging, but it’s rewarding too. Because Purrstige Traits are time-limited, they’re particularly rare — and especially valued as a result. Plus, Purrstige Traits are always a nice visual treat, creating some of the game’s most beautiful and unique cats. From the docs, lots of talk about value. Not much reason why. It reminds me of the Beanie Babies Valuation books. Made everyone scream over a $7 plushie.

kirbys-memeteam 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania “A fool and his money…”
- junofan 4y ago
  If you were gambling on tulip futures in taverns, you knew exactly what you were doing.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
secretsatan 4y ago
What is challenging about it?
nazka 4y ago
I can’t wait for the world to wake up from this insanity.
- dexwiz 4y ago
  They won't ever. Some part of the population will always fall for it. Hope is a powerful emotional that overrides all logic.
  - nazka 4y ago

hnick 4y ago

Has anyone done something similar for a "gacha waifu" type game ala Genshin Impact? If they get the random generator making nice looking characters, I can see the ability to trade unique and attractive characters appealing to some. But it has to be backed by a decent game.

jhanschoo 4y ago
This isn't crypto and I don't know if things are tradable, but Arrowmancer checks the waifu and randomly generated aspect.
- hnick 4y ago
  Thanks that's interesting. Crypto isn't required for trade of course but I guess one place it helps is that the developer doesn't need to implement the trade details themselves, just read results from the blockchain. Not sure if this is even possible at the fidelity level people would want though without external data hosting, most NFTs I heard about just link to a resource on a server anyway, and that could be troublesome in a game.
- Cixelyn 4y ago
  dev here: the characters aren't tradeable atm. but something we do allow is for players to create characters on the main waifulabs site[1], and then share QR import codes of that custom characters with friends. [1] https://waifulabs.com https://waifulabs.com
nitwit005 4y ago
With 2D, rather than 3D: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sizigi.wcorp&hl=en_US&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sizigi.wco...

gremlinsinc 4y ago

Back in 2002 I used to hang out in Yahoo pool rooms. I was in a league even. At the time a lot of people in there were cracking Yahoo rares. Names that you can't make as username anymore. Most coveted were ones with capitals, special characters, underscores at the beginning. People bought and sold those for thousands of dollars. That made more sense to me than these crypto games. Those were at least something scarce and not manufactured. They had intrinsic value, especially for the cracker because they had to come up with name lists, and brute force the passwords, and use potentially trojan ridden hacking tools from shady phpnuke sites. The usernames were pretty cool in contrast with the new username rules Yahoo had. Card trading just seems boring AF.

themoonisachees 4y ago
You might be interested in minecraft name trading. Much of the same things ring familiar with what you said
demented 4y ago
Yea i miss those days. I have 1 id still left out of all the ones i had. You_can_suck_it_just_dont_bite
demented 4y ago
The other ones i had i was young at the time and dumb and let someone hold onto them and they got me never heard from him again good ones too

raverbashing 4y ago

Probably slightly less dumb than collecting bored money pictures. But only slightly.

TheCapeGreek 4y ago

Neopets, Valenth & more come to mind as early 2000s crypto-less versions of this. You can make the exact same comments about the fun-ness of those games. And yet people loved them. So yes, crypto is the focus and yes, gameplay is lacking (for those who seek different kinds of games). But those are separate issues rather than related. In other words, CryptoKitties innovation was never going to be gameplay, because it is explicitly a clone of pet collecting games of yore with the spin being different underlying infrastructure & payments technology.

secretsatan 4y ago
Those were just kids games no? Monetizing something like that with the crazy fluctuations in prices seems incredibly problematic, kids can trade cards for sure, but when you tie money to every transaction it looks more like selling cigarettes to kids