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Or you know just having a small room with a server rented that you ssh or vpn through. I think by the time an employer gets into such arms war with the employe

Or you know just having a small room with a server rented that you ssh or vpn through. I think by the time an employer gets into such arms war with the employees, it’s time to have a hard look in the mirror and see where the CEO is working from. I found that a little surprising and upsetting about CloudFlare for example. The CTO is working from a beach town in Portugal but regular employees are bound to a physical office. And this is 100% ‘cloud’ company where all your work is logging in remotely anyway.

NovemberWhiskey 4y ago
What's upsetting about an employer and employee agreeing on a working arrangement? If you want to work from a beach town in Portugal, negotiate it.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  For some people that seems like negotiating an agreement with your employer about changing your hairstyle, or buying a new tv.
  - NovemberWhiskey 4y ago
    Then find an employer who thinks the same way. If you agree to work for a company that says "your place of employment is X" then you'd better be OK with that. Anything is just rationalization.
- pzh 4y ago
  If you ask your employer to work from Lisbon as opposed to SF, you'll likely get a 3x-5x reduction in total compensation. I doubt Cloudflare (or any other) CEO's compensation will get the same readjustment for cost of living if he moves from the SF office to the Lisbon office.
jgrahamc 4y ago
I found that a little surprising and upsetting about CloudFlare for example. The CTO is working from a beach town in Portugal but regular employees are bound to a physical office. Well, that's a pile of shit and completely false. Everything about that is false. I'm in Lisbon not some "beach town" (unless you're counting the capital of Portugal as a beach town). Employees have a huge amount of flexibility on using the Lisbon office or not. And this is 100% ‘cloud’ company where all your work is logging in remotely anyway. Not so sure about that. First meeting I have tomorrow morning is in person with member of the team in Portugal in the office. It's true that I have a lot of video calls, but not really a surprise given that Cloudflare has offices all over the world. We have more than 200 employees in Portugal and I'd guess around 40 in the office at any one time.
- mdrzn 4y ago
  Do you have an HN Alert about "Cloudflare" appearing in comments?
  - jgrahamc 4y ago
    Yes. I have my own mechanism for various things on HN and I get emailed about comments.
- disgruntledphd2 4y ago
  To be fair, Lisbon is both the capital of Portugal and also sortof a beach town.
  - jgrahamc 4y ago
    Yeah but we have more than 200 employees here. It's not like I'm all alone!
    - zen_1 4y ago
      Nah, this must all be an elaborate ruse to distract us from the armies of cloudflare devs chained to their laptops in some desert.

NovemberWhiskey 4y ago

What's upsetting about an employer and employee agreeing on a working arrangement? If you want to work from a beach town in Portugal, negotiate it.

pessimizer 4y ago
For some people that seems like negotiating an agreement with your employer about changing your hairstyle, or buying a new tv.
- NovemberWhiskey 4y ago
  Then find an employer who thinks the same way. If you agree to work for a company that says "your place of employment is X" then you'd better be OK with that. Anything is just rationalization.
pzh 4y ago
If you ask your employer to work from Lisbon as opposed to SF, you'll likely get a 3x-5x reduction in total compensation. I doubt Cloudflare (or any other) CEO's compensation will get the same readjustment for cost of living if he moves from the SF office to the Lisbon office.

jgrahamc 4y ago

I found that a little surprising and upsetting about CloudFlare for example. The CTO is working from a beach town in Portugal but regular employees are bound to a physical office. Well, that's a pile of shit and completely false. Everything about that is false. I'm in Lisbon not some "beach town" (unless you're counting the capital of Portugal as a beach town). Employees have a huge amount of flexibility on using the Lisbon office or not. And this is 100% ‘cloud’ company where all your work is logging in remotely anyway. Not so sure about that. First meeting I have tomorrow morning is in person with member of the team in Portugal in the office. It's true that I have a lot of video calls, but not really a surprise given that Cloudflare has offices all over the world. We have more than 200 employees in Portugal and I'd guess around 40 in the office at any one time.

mdrzn 4y ago
Do you have an HN Alert about "Cloudflare" appearing in comments?
- jgrahamc 4y ago
  Yes. I have my own mechanism for various things on HN and I get emailed about comments.
disgruntledphd2 4y ago
To be fair, Lisbon is both the capital of Portugal and also sortof a beach town.
- jgrahamc 4y ago
  Yeah but we have more than 200 employees here. It's not like I'm all alone!
  - zen_1 4y ago
    Nah, this must all be an elaborate ruse to distract us from the armies of cloudflare devs chained to their laptops in some desert.