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I got my original two vaccines. I refused pfizer and moderna on principle. I refuse to get any boosters. The signal to noise ratio is basically 0 at this point

I got my original two vaccines. I refused pfizer and moderna on principle. I refuse to get any boosters. The signal to noise ratio is basically 0 at this point and I am having a hard time "trusting the science". You know the only people more full of shit than the anti-vaxxers? The "trust the science" shills. The anti-vaxxers may have the wrong idea but from 2020 to...well about the last few months we saw that anyone who even remotely questioned the efficacy of vaccines was "anti-science" and a "science denier". Major platforms spent millions (billions?) to kill as much of this as they could despite the fact the "fact checkers" had no idea either. Fact checkers by-and-large are editorial writers on a power trip. I don't think anyone whose been awake at the wheel for the last 4 years is surprised at this. But they gained an entirely new level of unjustified power in 2020. A few years later all of the sudden some of the "conspiracies" were at least shown to have some veracity: the vaccines aren't nearly as effective as advertised, the studies were rushed/manipulated, boosters are not effective, the lab leak hypothesis, etc. Now, a real "science believer" would simply change their view at this point to match the reality of the situation. We spent two years pretending we have a full view of exactly what COVID is, what caused it, where it started, etc. The truth is we have no idea. The best scientists so far can't even agree on if a booster works or not (and by works I mean is effective along a wide population of varying demographics). People are seemingly religious bound to the "wear your mask, trust the science" non-sense. If anything, these people are just as bad as the people saying the vaccine is carrying nano-robots. If you recall, in 2020 especially, the idea that the virus originated in the BSL lab in Wuhan was put into several papers. None of which can be found anymore (at least I cannot find them). These scientists were "canceled" immediately. There's a lot of nonsense coming out of both sides. But to pretend it's simply "those pesky anti-vaxxers" as if none of them can rub a collective two brain cells together is frankly funny. I have a feeling the Pfizer documents once fully released and analyzed will be a treasure trove of hindenberg level disasters once the religious party-line fervor comes to an end.

comex 4y ago
Citation for boosters not working?
- canoebuilder 4y ago
  Citation for boosters not working? more people have died since the shots, than before, come on bro! It's staring you in the face https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/all-you-need-to-know-about-the-mrna/ https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/all-you-need-to-know-abo... What would you consider a worthy citation source, the same people who have lied or been wrong about everything to date?
  - disgruntledphd2 4y ago
    Wow, that's a pretty weird misinterpretation of the data. My understanding is that almost 30% of the Israeli population refused to get vaccinated for religious reasons, which (even if you could make robust inferences from a chart like that) would throw the whole theory into doubt.
    - canoebuilder 4y ago
      There is nothing to interpret. Very simply - more people have died since the shots than before. No need for goofy phd words like “robust inferences” Much more than 70% of the at risk population were injected, they are the ones that are dying. That shots were sold as stopping the virus entirely, “If you get this shot you won’t get the virus” let alone die from it! So why have there been more deaths since the shots than before?! The shots don’t work. Not only do they not work, they are killing people. In mRNA injected countries, excess deaths are running well above historical norms. Not only are they killing people, they are preventing people from being born. In mRNA injected countries birth rates are way down.
      - disgruntledphd2 4y ago
        I look forward to hearing your Nobel prize for Medicine speech in a number of years so.
        canoebuilder 4y ago
        Big, is bigger than small. The number of people who have died from the virus after shots were introduced, that were supposed to stop people from contracting the virus, let alone dying from it, is bigger than the smaller number of people who died from the virus before the shots were introduced. Do you find this an important data point? Do you think it is enough to win the prize? Do you want to co-author with me? Where should we publish?
mjevans 4y ago
It's an evolutionary arms race. We still have the staggering spread of the virus in the wild, let alone a well controlled one like might be had with more ideal circumstances. (Circumstances of reasonable precautions, regular testing, and thoughtful actions that benefit the greater good.) The 'bivalent' boosters, as far as I understand (non-expert), combine a widely proven safe (likely billions of individuals who've had the treatment at this point) technology and version of the vaccine, which might no longer match the dominant wild strain of the virus, with a derivative of that same vaccine tuned to that current dominant strain of the virus. In order to be most effective that updated booster should be used while the variation it was designed to protect against is still in the wild.

comex 4y ago

Citation for boosters not working?

canoebuilder 4y ago
Citation for boosters not working? more people have died since the shots, than before, come on bro! It's staring you in the face https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/all-you-need-to-know-about-the-mrna/ https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/all-you-need-to-know-abo... What would you consider a worthy citation source, the same people who have lied or been wrong about everything to date?
- disgruntledphd2 4y ago
  Wow, that's a pretty weird misinterpretation of the data. My understanding is that almost 30% of the Israeli population refused to get vaccinated for religious reasons, which (even if you could make robust inferences from a chart like that) would throw the whole theory into doubt.
  - canoebuilder 4y ago
    There is nothing to interpret. Very simply - more people have died since the shots than before. No need for goofy phd words like “robust inferences” Much more than 70% of the at risk population were injected, they are the ones that are dying. That shots were sold as stopping the virus entirely, “If you get this shot you won’t get the virus” let alone die from it! So why have there been more deaths since the shots than before?! The shots don’t work. Not only do they not work, they are killing people. In mRNA injected countries, excess deaths are running well above historical norms. Not only are they killing people, they are preventing people from being born. In mRNA injected countries birth rates are way down.
    - disgruntledphd2 4y ago
      I look forward to hearing your Nobel prize for Medicine speech in a number of years so.
      - canoebuilder 4y ago
        Big, is bigger than small. The number of people who have died from the virus after shots were introduced, that were supposed to stop people from contracting the virus, let alone dying from it, is bigger than the smaller number of people who died from the virus before the shots were introduced. Do you find this an important data point? Do you think it is enough to win the prize? Do you want to co-author with me? Where should we publish?

mjevans 4y ago

It's an evolutionary arms race. We still have the staggering spread of the virus in the wild, let alone a well controlled one like might be had with more ideal circumstances. (Circumstances of reasonable precautions, regular testing, and thoughtful actions that benefit the greater good.) The 'bivalent' boosters, as far as I understand (non-expert), combine a widely proven safe (likely billions of individuals who've had the treatment at this point) technology and version of the vaccine, which might no longer match the dominant wild strain of the virus, with a derivative of that same vaccine tuned to that current dominant strain of the virus. In order to be most effective that updated booster should be used while the variation it was designed to protect against is still in the wild.