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The headline is somewhat misleading. At least many in this thread have misunderstood the issue. Danish health authorities still recommend everyone to get vacci

by goto11 4y ago

The headline is somewhat misleading. At least many in this thread have misunderstood the issue. Danish health authorities still recommend everyone to get vaccinated against COVID, including healthy people under 50. Everyone should get two jabs, everyone over 18 should get a third "booster" shot. The vaccine talked about in the OP are the fourth vaccine jab, i.e. second booster shot, which is only offered to above-50 and people with certain heath issues.

emptysongglass 4y ago
Still, why stop offering boosters for your population? Most Danes I knew were dutifully getting their boosters when called in by the health authorities. This sets a bad precedent.
- christmm 4y ago
- eesmith 4y ago
  Addressed in the Q&A section of the page: > Why are people aged under 50 not to be re-vaccinated? > The purpose of the vaccination programme is to prevent severe illness, hospitalisation and death. Therefore, people at the highest risk of becoming severely ill will be offered booster vaccination. The purpose of vaccination is not to prevent infection with covid-19, and people aged under 50 are therefore currently not being offered booster vaccination. > People aged under 50 are generally not at particularly higher risk of becoming severely ill from covid-19. In addition, younger people aged under 50 are well protected against becoming severely ill from covid-19, as a very large number of them have already been vaccinated and have previously been infected with covid-19, and there is consequently good immunity among this part of the population. > It is important that the population also remembers the guidance on how to prevent the spread of infection, including staying at home in case of illness, frequent aeration or ventilation, social distancing, good coughing etiquette, hand hygiene and cleaning.
  - emptysongglass 4y ago
    But all of this sounds like spin on why the health ministry doesn't want to spare the expense on general vaccination of all members of the population or else why generally vaccinate the population before? Even with third boosters we're seeing rapid mutations that break through so I'd assume gen pop would be in need of a fourth booster and fifth etc. to qualify for the protection to all members of society that general vaccination affords. This reads like obvious flip flopping that's a primarily economic decision.
    - Dah00n 4y ago
      I'm guessing you are not from Denmark as you read it in a completely different way than I do as a Dane.
      - hagbarth 4y ago
        As a Dane, I have to agree with you. Generally I trust the health authorities to recommend the action they deem appropriate and nothing more.
      - emptysongglass 4y ago
        I am a Dane but I spent half my life in the US so often have a different perspective than most of my countrymen.
    - eesmith 4y ago
      How is it "spin"? Public health is always intimately connected with questions of cost-effectiveness. Denmark also doesn't offer free influenza vaccinations to all adults. https://www.sst.dk/en/English/News/2022/Autumn-vaccinations-against-covid-19-and-influenza-are-to-help-us-through-the-winter https://www.sst.dk/en/English/News/2022/Autumn-vaccinations-... > We recommend influenza vaccination for everyone aged 65 and over as well as for persons with certain chronic diseases, children aged between 2 and 6, pregnant women in the second and third trimesters and staff in the healthcare and elderly care sector and selected parts of the social services sector. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varicella_vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varicella_vaccine points out "Not all countries provide the [chickenpox] vaccine due to its cost."
- msylvest 4y ago
  Denmark is still offering boosters - in a prioritized manner. First those aged 85+, second 50+, even below that if exposed by diseases. From what is written I would expect (third) general 50- boosters to occur during winter if needed.
- mrweasel 4y ago
  Most got their booster shots, but not as many as I thought or would like. 80% got the two shots, but only 61,7% got the booster. Both numbers are honestly MUCH lower than I'd expect. It's honestly not economical to keep up the high level of testing and vaccination, not if most don't really get that sick. People are also a lot better at staying home when sick, compared to earlier.
- cb14 4y ago
  It sets a good precedent, the shots aren’t safe or effective. Does everyone have amnesia about how these things were sold? They were supposed to stop the virus cold. So much for that. It’s a very good precedent. It wasn’t supposed to be an ongoing thing. The risk benefit just isn’t there except maybe for the most comorbid.
dang 4y ago
Yikes, that is not somewhat misleading, that is extremely misleading (assuming your comment is accurate—I haven't dug through the article). I've edited the title now. Submitted title was "Denmark no longer offering Covid vaccinations to healthy adults under 50". That title was highly editorialized, which breaks the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize." Editing a title to make it more misleading (and linkbait for that matter) manages to break all 4 things that that guideline asks submitters not to do. We eventually remove submission privileges from accounts that do that, so please don't. If you want to say what you think is important about an article, that's fine, but do it by adding a comment to the thread. Then your view will be on a level playing field with everyone else's: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=%22level%20playing%20field%22%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...
- cb14 4y ago
  I don’t think the original title was misleading. It says on the page: Who will be offered vaccination against covid-19? People aged 50 years and over will be offered vaccination. People aged under 50 who are at a higher risk of becoming severely ill from covid-19 will also be offered vaccination against covid-19. It doesn’t say people under 50 who have had 2 or fewer shots. The comment you responded to seems to be a partial if not total fabrication. I don’t see indication of any sort of “roll over eligibility”. And I don’t think the official recommendation would be 2 shots for everyone since the linked page clearly states it is no longer offered for under 18s, and Søren Brostrøm, director of the health authority, saying it was a mistake to give it to any under 18s, and if you read between the lines and look at the data it was probably a mistake to give it to any under 50s.
  - tptacek 4y ago
    The page explicitly and repeatedly affirms the argument made upthread, is about "re-vaccination", and cites population-wide adherence to Denmark's first round of vaccinations as the reason why re-vaccination is required only for high risk groups. You aren't meant to "read between the lines" to generate a new title on Hacker News.
EdwardDiego 4y ago
Wow, that is indeed a _very_ different headline. I'm glad it's been clarified.
cb14 4y ago
Danish health authorities still recommend everyone to get vaccinated against COVID, including healthy people under 50. Everyone should get two jabs, everyone over 18 should get a third "booster" shot. The vaccine talked about in the OP are the fourth vaccine jab, i.e. second booster shot, which is only offered to above-50 and people with certain heath issues. That is not true. You just made that up didn’t you? What is compelling you to spread misinformation? It says this right on the linked page: Vaccination of children against covid-19 Children and adolescents rarely become severely ill from the Omicron variant of covid-19. From 1 July 2022, it was no longer possible for children and adolescents aged under 18 to get the first injection and, from 1 September 2022, it was no longer possible for them to get the second injection. A very limited number of children at particularly higher risk of becoming severely ill will still be offered vaccination based on an individual assessment by a doctor. So, no it is not recommended, because it is not even an option. Does this sound like someone who would recommend what you said he would? The director-general of Denmark’s Health Authority said that in retrospect injecting children with the Covid vaccine was a mistake. Søren Brostrøm said while hosting “Go Evening Live” on TV 2: “In hindsight, we did not get much out of vaccinating the children. I want to look all parents of children who have vaccinated their child in the eye and say, ‘You did the right thing, and thank you for listening,’ ” “But at the same time… and this is the important thing to maintain confidence… I will admit and say that we have become wiser and we would not do the same today. And we will not do that in the future either,” he added. Christine Stabell Benn, clinical professor at the University of Southern Denmark, has long been critical of the vaccination of children. She told TV 2 that she had no doubt that the recommendation to give the Covid vaccine to the age group 12-15 was unnecessary. “We had some vaccines with a very unknown side effect profile, and at the same time we had some children who had nothing to gain by being vaccinated,” Stabell Benn told TV 2. https://www.worldtribune.com/was-vaccinating-children-a-mistake-yes-admits-denmarks-health-authority/ https://www.worldtribune.com/was-vaccinating-children-a-mist...
- goto11 4y ago
  > That is not true. You just made that up didn’t you? > What is compelling you to spread misinformation? My source is https://www.sst.dk/da/corona/Vaccination https://www.sst.dk/da/corona/Vaccination point 10

by goto11 4y ago

emptysongglass 4y ago

Still, why stop offering boosters for your population? Most Danes I knew were dutifully getting their boosters when called in by the health authorities. This sets a bad precedent.

christmm 4y ago
eesmith 4y ago
Addressed in the Q&A section of the page: > Why are people aged under 50 not to be re-vaccinated? > The purpose of the vaccination programme is to prevent severe illness, hospitalisation and death. Therefore, people at the highest risk of becoming severely ill will be offered booster vaccination. The purpose of vaccination is not to prevent infection with covid-19, and people aged under 50 are therefore currently not being offered booster vaccination. > People aged under 50 are generally not at particularly higher risk of becoming severely ill from covid-19. In addition, younger people aged under 50 are well protected against becoming severely ill from covid-19, as a very large number of them have already been vaccinated and have previously been infected with covid-19, and there is consequently good immunity among this part of the population. > It is important that the population also remembers the guidance on how to prevent the spread of infection, including staying at home in case of illness, frequent aeration or ventilation, social distancing, good coughing etiquette, hand hygiene and cleaning.
- emptysongglass 4y ago
  But all of this sounds like spin on why the health ministry doesn't want to spare the expense on general vaccination of all members of the population or else why generally vaccinate the population before? Even with third boosters we're seeing rapid mutations that break through so I'd assume gen pop would be in need of a fourth booster and fifth etc. to qualify for the protection to all members of society that general vaccination affords. This reads like obvious flip flopping that's a primarily economic decision.
  - Dah00n 4y ago
    I'm guessing you are not from Denmark as you read it in a completely different way than I do as a Dane.
    - hagbarth 4y ago
      As a Dane, I have to agree with you. Generally I trust the health authorities to recommend the action they deem appropriate and nothing more.
    - emptysongglass 4y ago
      I am a Dane but I spent half my life in the US so often have a different perspective than most of my countrymen.
  - eesmith 4y ago
    How is it "spin"? Public health is always intimately connected with questions of cost-effectiveness. Denmark also doesn't offer free influenza vaccinations to all adults. https://www.sst.dk/en/English/News/2022/Autumn-vaccinations-against-covid-19-and-influenza-are-to-help-us-through-the-winter https://www.sst.dk/en/English/News/2022/Autumn-vaccinations-... > We recommend influenza vaccination for everyone aged 65 and over as well as for persons with certain chronic diseases, children aged between 2 and 6, pregnant women in the second and third trimesters and staff in the healthcare and elderly care sector and selected parts of the social services sector. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varicella_vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varicella_vaccine points out "Not all countries provide the [chickenpox] vaccine due to its cost."
msylvest 4y ago
Denmark is still offering boosters - in a prioritized manner. First those aged 85+, second 50+, even below that if exposed by diseases. From what is written I would expect (third) general 50- boosters to occur during winter if needed.
mrweasel 4y ago
Most got their booster shots, but not as many as I thought or would like. 80% got the two shots, but only 61,7% got the booster. Both numbers are honestly MUCH lower than I'd expect. It's honestly not economical to keep up the high level of testing and vaccination, not if most don't really get that sick. People are also a lot better at staying home when sick, compared to earlier.
cb14 4y ago
It sets a good precedent, the shots aren’t safe or effective. Does everyone have amnesia about how these things were sold? They were supposed to stop the virus cold. So much for that. It’s a very good precedent. It wasn’t supposed to be an ongoing thing. The risk benefit just isn’t there except maybe for the most comorbid.

dang 4y ago

Yikes, that is not somewhat misleading, that is extremely misleading (assuming your comment is accurate—I haven't dug through the article). I've edited the title now. Submitted title was "Denmark no longer offering Covid vaccinations to healthy adults under 50". That title was highly editorialized, which breaks the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize." Editing a title to make it more misleading (and linkbait for that matter) manages to break all 4 things that that guideline asks submitters not to do. We eventually remove submission privileges from accounts that do that, so please don't. If you want to say what you think is important about an article, that's fine, but do it by adding a comment to the thread. Then your view will be on a level playing field with everyone else's: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=%22level%20playing%20field%22%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

cb14 4y ago
I don’t think the original title was misleading. It says on the page: Who will be offered vaccination against covid-19? People aged 50 years and over will be offered vaccination. People aged under 50 who are at a higher risk of becoming severely ill from covid-19 will also be offered vaccination against covid-19. It doesn’t say people under 50 who have had 2 or fewer shots. The comment you responded to seems to be a partial if not total fabrication. I don’t see indication of any sort of “roll over eligibility”. And I don’t think the official recommendation would be 2 shots for everyone since the linked page clearly states it is no longer offered for under 18s, and Søren Brostrøm, director of the health authority, saying it was a mistake to give it to any under 18s, and if you read between the lines and look at the data it was probably a mistake to give it to any under 50s.
- tptacek 4y ago
  The page explicitly and repeatedly affirms the argument made upthread, is about "re-vaccination", and cites population-wide adherence to Denmark's first round of vaccinations as the reason why re-vaccination is required only for high risk groups. You aren't meant to "read between the lines" to generate a new title on Hacker News.

EdwardDiego 4y ago

Wow, that is indeed a _very_ different headline. I'm glad it's been clarified.

cb14 4y ago

Danish health authorities still recommend everyone to get vaccinated against COVID, including healthy people under 50. Everyone should get two jabs, everyone over 18 should get a third "booster" shot. The vaccine talked about in the OP are the fourth vaccine jab, i.e. second booster shot, which is only offered to above-50 and people with certain heath issues. That is not true. You just made that up didn’t you? What is compelling you to spread misinformation? It says this right on the linked page: Vaccination of children against covid-19 Children and adolescents rarely become severely ill from the Omicron variant of covid-19. From 1 July 2022, it was no longer possible for children and adolescents aged under 18 to get the first injection and, from 1 September 2022, it was no longer possible for them to get the second injection. A very limited number of children at particularly higher risk of becoming severely ill will still be offered vaccination based on an individual assessment by a doctor. So, no it is not recommended, because it is not even an option. Does this sound like someone who would recommend what you said he would? The director-general of Denmark’s Health Authority said that in retrospect injecting children with the Covid vaccine was a mistake. Søren Brostrøm said while hosting “Go Evening Live” on TV 2: “In hindsight, we did not get much out of vaccinating the children. I want to look all parents of children who have vaccinated their child in the eye and say, ‘You did the right thing, and thank you for listening,’ ” “But at the same time… and this is the important thing to maintain confidence… I will admit and say that we have become wiser and we would not do the same today. And we will not do that in the future either,” he added. Christine Stabell Benn, clinical professor at the University of Southern Denmark, has long been critical of the vaccination of children. She told TV 2 that she had no doubt that the recommendation to give the Covid vaccine to the age group 12-15 was unnecessary. “We had some vaccines with a very unknown side effect profile, and at the same time we had some children who had nothing to gain by being vaccinated,” Stabell Benn told TV 2. https://www.worldtribune.com/was-vaccinating-children-a-mistake-yes-admits-denmarks-health-authority/ https://www.worldtribune.com/was-vaccinating-children-a-mist...

goto11 4y ago
> That is not true. You just made that up didn’t you? > What is compelling you to spread misinformation? My source is https://www.sst.dk/da/corona/Vaccination https://www.sst.dk/da/corona/Vaccination point 10