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This will change once they have boosted the 50+ population, or that's at least how it usually works. The Omicron targeted vaccines should be ready by then, so w

This will change once they have boosted the 50+ population, or that's at least how it usually works. The Omicron targeted vaccines should be ready by then, so we are not necessarily out of luck. I'm 49.

dragontamer 4y ago
I took the BA.5 variant vaccine just two days ago (Pfizer, if anyone is interested) BA.5 is targeted and ready. The only question left is one of policy and distribution.
- nope96 4y ago
  Same here, took the new Moderna Ba.5 variant along with a flu shot 7 days ago. Zero side effects. Everyone should get this new booster.
  - peteradio 4y ago
    > Everyone should get this new booster. Why? Seems pretty indiscriminate.
    - nope96 4y ago
      Because it protects you and others around you from disease. Cowards will make up lies and excuses for not taking it, though. I suppose you have to decide who you trust, your doctor, or internet trolls. My guess is, if you ask your doctor, he or she will recommend you take it.
      - peteradio 4y ago
        > Because it protects you After already having had Covid? I'm fit in my 30s. > and others around you from disease. Has this borne out in practice? > My guess is, if you ask your doctor, he or she will recommend you take it. Guess again.
        dekhn 4y ago
        honestly, it's just not worth arguing- some folks are going to be permanently convinced that the case for vaccination is much stronger than it really is. Like I said in other comments: the medical researcher community moved on and no longer believes that vaccines were nearly as effective as originally believed, for any criterion. We certainly aren't ever going to reach ongoing herd immunity so the most reasonable approach now is to identify people at greatest risk and spend more resources protecting them.
        peteradio 4y ago
        Fair enough but policy is still standing and being made based on these beliefs. Do you believe we will finally see reversals?
        dekhn 4y ago
        I'm not sure what you mean. Most of the "reversals" have already been done, the rest is media noise.
        didibus 4y ago
        There could still be vaccines that have the potential to be much more effective, like this one that's soon to enter Phase 1 human trial: https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/sars-coronavirus-variant-vaccine-bjorkman https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/sars-coronavirus-variant-... I think it'll be interesting to follow further vaccine development in that sense. Also, I don't know why you say researchers no longer believes that vaccines missed the mark. Yes they didn't prevent reinfection of future variants, and that I think everyone was hoping they would and no longer believes that, but just recently this study was published: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(22)00320-6/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... showing an estimate of 14 to 20 million lives saved by the vaccines just during the first year of vaccination. And while 80% of that is from direct protection, 20% is from indirect protection such as: > reducing the levels of burden placed on health-care systems, reducing the number of days that health-care capacity would have been exceeded and therefore contributing to an overall lower fatality rate from infection That said the study highlights the same conclusion as yours, people at greater risk should be prioritized since direct protection is much more effective, and also low income countries that are not able to get or pay for vaccines are disproportionately affected, it would make sense to send vaccines that are going to young healthy low risk individuals in high income countries to these lower income places.

dragontamer 4y ago

I took the BA.5 variant vaccine just two days ago (Pfizer, if anyone is interested) BA.5 is targeted and ready. The only question left is one of policy and distribution.

nope96 4y ago
Same here, took the new Moderna Ba.5 variant along with a flu shot 7 days ago. Zero side effects. Everyone should get this new booster.
- peteradio 4y ago
  > Everyone should get this new booster. Why? Seems pretty indiscriminate.
  - nope96 4y ago
    Because it protects you and others around you from disease. Cowards will make up lies and excuses for not taking it, though. I suppose you have to decide who you trust, your doctor, or internet trolls. My guess is, if you ask your doctor, he or she will recommend you take it.
    - peteradio 4y ago
      > Because it protects you After already having had Covid? I'm fit in my 30s. > and others around you from disease. Has this borne out in practice? > My guess is, if you ask your doctor, he or she will recommend you take it. Guess again.
      - dekhn 4y ago
        honestly, it's just not worth arguing- some folks are going to be permanently convinced that the case for vaccination is much stronger than it really is. Like I said in other comments: the medical researcher community moved on and no longer believes that vaccines were nearly as effective as originally believed, for any criterion. We certainly aren't ever going to reach ongoing herd immunity so the most reasonable approach now is to identify people at greatest risk and spend more resources protecting them.
        peteradio 4y ago
        Fair enough but policy is still standing and being made based on these beliefs. Do you believe we will finally see reversals?
        dekhn 4y ago
        I'm not sure what you mean. Most of the "reversals" have already been done, the rest is media noise.
        didibus 4y ago
        There could still be vaccines that have the potential to be much more effective, like this one that's soon to enter Phase 1 human trial: https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/sars-coronavirus-variant-vaccine-bjorkman https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/sars-coronavirus-variant-... I think it'll be interesting to follow further vaccine development in that sense. Also, I don't know why you say researchers no longer believes that vaccines missed the mark. Yes they didn't prevent reinfection of future variants, and that I think everyone was hoping they would and no longer believes that, but just recently this study was published: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(22)00320-6/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... showing an estimate of 14 to 20 million lives saved by the vaccines just during the first year of vaccination. And while 80% of that is from direct protection, 20% is from indirect protection such as: > reducing the levels of burden placed on health-care systems, reducing the number of days that health-care capacity would have been exceeded and therefore contributing to an overall lower fatality rate from infection That said the study highlights the same conclusion as yours, people at greater risk should be prioritized since direct protection is much more effective, and also low income countries that are not able to get or pay for vaccines are disproportionately affected, it would make sense to send vaccines that are going to young healthy low risk individuals in high income countries to these lower income places.