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Anyone who actually believes that, I've got an array of bridges to sell you. People doing layoffs will say anything they can to make the fact that they just lai

Anyone who actually believes that, I've got an array of bridges to sell you. People doing layoffs will say anything they can to make the fact that they just laid people off seem better, more fair, whatever. This is just the latest attempt at that. It looks as ridiculous as every other attempt throughout history.

anonym29 4y ago
Do you have any data or references to support your argument? I'm open to considering your hypothesis, but right now, it's merely an assertion.
ajsnigrutin 4y ago
> better, more fair Imagine being a white guy, just laid off... it's not better, it's not fair, it seems like pure racism (even if you'd get fired anyways), and in a normal country, would be a basis for a discrimination lawsuit.
- Blackthorn 4y ago
  > it's not better, it's not fair It's also probably not true in the first place. Which is the point of my post.
  - the_doctah 4y ago
    Your post is pure speculation and just kind of excuses this behavior. We should be asking why this corporate entity feels the need to casually dip into racism to virtue signal about the perceived positives of this layoff.
  - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
    Does it matter if it's not true? You sue for being let go due to racism, show the document, where they say exactly that, and they have to prove that they didn't take race in consideration after saying (in their own document) that they did.
hudsonjr 4y ago
This does fit with layoffs I've went through. Decide who to lay off first, and then the framing is done later. My guess is the sex/race/etc metrics of the layoff "looked OK" by coincidence, and someone wrongly thought it was a good idea to call out
fullshark 4y ago
Pretty easy to come up with ways this could work that are not ridiculous. Let's say you come up with a list of people to lay off. Let's say someone slices that list by demographics. Let's say someone compares that demographic distribution with the overall demographic distribution of the company and is embarrassed by what they see. Then the CEO revisits, and changes the decisions or overrules an underling on a few cases about who to lay off to make things less embarrassing. I don't know that that's what happened here, but is that really so unthinkable for a woke tech company in 2022 to do? For a company clearly concerned with how it's publicly perceived on this front?
nonethewiser 4y ago

anonym29 4y ago

Do you have any data or references to support your argument? I'm open to considering your hypothesis, but right now, it's merely an assertion.

ajsnigrutin 4y ago

> better, more fair Imagine being a white guy, just laid off... it's not better, it's not fair, it seems like pure racism (even if you'd get fired anyways), and in a normal country, would be a basis for a discrimination lawsuit.

Blackthorn 4y ago
> it's not better, it's not fair It's also probably not true in the first place. Which is the point of my post.
- the_doctah 4y ago
  Your post is pure speculation and just kind of excuses this behavior. We should be asking why this corporate entity feels the need to casually dip into racism to virtue signal about the perceived positives of this layoff.
- ajsnigrutin 4y ago
  Does it matter if it's not true? You sue for being let go due to racism, show the document, where they say exactly that, and they have to prove that they didn't take race in consideration after saying (in their own document) that they did.

hudsonjr 4y ago

This does fit with layoffs I've went through. Decide who to lay off first, and then the framing is done later. My guess is the sex/race/etc metrics of the layoff "looked OK" by coincidence, and someone wrongly thought it was a good idea to call out

fullshark 4y ago

Pretty easy to come up with ways this could work that are not ridiculous. Let's say you come up with a list of people to lay off. Let's say someone slices that list by demographics. Let's say someone compares that demographic distribution with the overall demographic distribution of the company and is embarrassed by what they see. Then the CEO revisits, and changes the decisions or overrules an underling on a few cases about who to lay off to make things less embarrassing. I don't know that that's what happened here, but is that really so unthinkable for a woke tech company in 2022 to do? For a company clearly concerned with how it's publicly perceived on this front?

nonethewiser 4y ago