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What an interesting story. It made me look up how medal of honor started. Could you clarify a few things? I don't think the story adds up. Wikipedia has the f

What an interesting story. It made me look up how medal of honor started. Could you clarify a few things? I don't think the story adds up. Wikipedia has the followin information. Medal of Honor was made by DreamWorks interactive. [..] Filmmaker Steven Spielberg Spielberg founded DreamWorks Interactive in 1995. [1] And: Danger Close Games (formerly DreamWorks Interactive LLC and EA Los Angeles) was an American video game developer based in Los Angeles. [2] This doesn't sound like 'a small game studio in Oklahoma'. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medal_of_Honor_(1999_video_game) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medal_of_Honor_(1999_video_gam... [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_Close_Games https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_Close_Games Edit: It seems you were talking about the acclaimed: Medal of Honor: Allied Assault. Made by: 2015, inc[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Games https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Games Edit 2: Spelling

jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
Yes, I'm talking about 2015. The first two Playstation only MoH games were not exactly failures, but they were little more than Goldeneye clones with WW2 themes. The first PC game is really the start of what we think of as the Medal of Honor franchise proper. The team that bailed founded Infinity Ward, which was the origin of Call of Duty, or at least the first like 8 games in the franchise. So yes, my story does in fact check out. Which is because I lived it. My friend tried to get me to join the team for 2 years because he knew they were onto something, but I'd fled a childhood in Kansas to build a life on the west coast and wasn't looking to move back to Tulsa of all places. That proved to be a bad career decision but I'm ok with it as a life decision. Can you have some self awareness of how annoying it is for you to adopt this skeptical fact checker tone when you have so little familiarity with the events and people involved you don't even really understand what to google for and which wikipedia articles to read? Edit: I'm annoyed because if you tell someone their story doesn't check out, calling me a lair in this case as the story is direct personal experience, you probably need more of a basis for that claim than googling a wikipedia article about a story you'd never heard of 5 minutes ago.
- HFguy 4y ago
  "...calling me a lair..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DZKwCVKneg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DZKwCVKneg Sorry, found the typo funny. Not trying to antagonize anyone this morning.
- andrewmcwatters 4y ago
  HN is the only place on the web that I know of where someone will tell you--someone who has experience in X, Y or Z--that you are wrong, or "sealion" you, or better yet, attempt to correct you with their armchair experience. Then, you'll be reprimanded for pointing it out, asking you to "not do that here." I wish moderation would curtail this obnoxious behavior, because I see HN as a place where experts can detail their experience, and over the years I see more and more amateur butt in or sealioning behavior take place, and people I know have left over it.
- throwaway24424 4y ago
  You didn't really provide that much detail, how are you expecting someone to understand what to Google? If your suggestion is for people to not question, or be curious at all then I think you're in the wrong place...?
  - derangedHorse 4y ago
    I don't think they were annoyed by the follow-up, they were annoyed by being softly accused of an inaccurate story and not being given the benefit of the doubt. Removing the "I don't think the story adds up." and changing the period of "This doesn't sound like 'a small game studio in Oklahoma'." to a question mark would've have helped make it less accusatory. In my opinion the original story was a bit misleading though, reading as if the small game company's novel IP was the original Medal of Honor, so I do think the follow-up was warranted: "They took that momentum and started on their own novel IP as a quake licensee. They made a ahem mildly successful game named Medal of Honor." I also think the response to the questioning was a lot more hostile than it needed to be but ultimately that there was rudeness on both sides
- ClassyJacket 4y ago
astura 4y ago
If you go to the souce on the Wikipedia page, it tells a slightly different story than what the OP said - https://www.mcvuk.com/business-news/publishing/the-medal-of-honor-killer-a-call-of-duty-story/ https://www.mcvuk.com/business-news/publishing/the-medal-of-... >Yet 2015 would never get the chance to make another Medal of Honor. EA decided to take all development for the franchise in-house. Morale was low amongst the team and they were looking to start up on its own. >We had bonded as a team, but decided we wanted to work with new management. Many members of the team were actually going to leave to find new jobs, regardless of potential royalties coming in from Medal of Honor. >After leaving 2015 we were working with a major publisher. For legal reasons I will say things didn’t go as planned with it. We were left in a situation of unpaid milestones that were delivered and no finances to operate on,” says Thomas. >The company was potentially going to disband. In a last ditch effort our then president, Grant Collier sent out a signal to all the major publishers in the industry letting them know that the majority of the Medal of Honor: Allied Assault team was available. Within days of closing the doors on the studio, Activision responded immediately with an offer.”
- jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
  Yeah, I'm giving a simplified version, and also avoiding disclosing some details that might blow back on my friend. It was considerably more nasty than that article portrays via the quotes.
  - astura 4y ago
    Except you basically said "they quit solely because of money" and the article basically says "it wasn't at all about the money." Those are very different things. One isn't a "simplified" version of the other.
    - jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
      The money was definitely the root issue. I can't say more without sharing things that could blow back on a friend. Either you believe me or you don't.
- 4y ago

jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago

Yes, I'm talking about 2015. The first two Playstation only MoH games were not exactly failures, but they were little more than Goldeneye clones with WW2 themes. The first PC game is really the start of what we think of as the Medal of Honor franchise proper. The team that bailed founded Infinity Ward, which was the origin of Call of Duty, or at least the first like 8 games in the franchise. So yes, my story does in fact check out. Which is because I lived it. My friend tried to get me to join the team for 2 years because he knew they were onto something, but I'd fled a childhood in Kansas to build a life on the west coast and wasn't looking to move back to Tulsa of all places. That proved to be a bad career decision but I'm ok with it as a life decision. Can you have some self awareness of how annoying it is for you to adopt this skeptical fact checker tone when you have so little familiarity with the events and people involved you don't even really understand what to google for and which wikipedia articles to read? Edit: I'm annoyed because if you tell someone their story doesn't check out, calling me a lair in this case as the story is direct personal experience, you probably need more of a basis for that claim than googling a wikipedia article about a story you'd never heard of 5 minutes ago.

HFguy 4y ago
"...calling me a lair..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DZKwCVKneg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DZKwCVKneg Sorry, found the typo funny. Not trying to antagonize anyone this morning.
andrewmcwatters 4y ago
HN is the only place on the web that I know of where someone will tell you--someone who has experience in X, Y or Z--that you are wrong, or "sealion" you, or better yet, attempt to correct you with their armchair experience. Then, you'll be reprimanded for pointing it out, asking you to "not do that here." I wish moderation would curtail this obnoxious behavior, because I see HN as a place where experts can detail their experience, and over the years I see more and more amateur butt in or sealioning behavior take place, and people I know have left over it.
throwaway24424 4y ago
You didn't really provide that much detail, how are you expecting someone to understand what to Google? If your suggestion is for people to not question, or be curious at all then I think you're in the wrong place...?
- derangedHorse 4y ago
  I don't think they were annoyed by the follow-up, they were annoyed by being softly accused of an inaccurate story and not being given the benefit of the doubt. Removing the "I don't think the story adds up." and changing the period of "This doesn't sound like 'a small game studio in Oklahoma'." to a question mark would've have helped make it less accusatory. In my opinion the original story was a bit misleading though, reading as if the small game company's novel IP was the original Medal of Honor, so I do think the follow-up was warranted: "They took that momentum and started on their own novel IP as a quake licensee. They made a ahem mildly successful game named Medal of Honor." I also think the response to the questioning was a lot more hostile than it needed to be but ultimately that there was rudeness on both sides
ClassyJacket 4y ago

astura 4y ago

If you go to the souce on the Wikipedia page, it tells a slightly different story than what the OP said - https://www.mcvuk.com/business-news/publishing/the-medal-of-honor-killer-a-call-of-duty-story/ https://www.mcvuk.com/business-news/publishing/the-medal-of-... >Yet 2015 would never get the chance to make another Medal of Honor. EA decided to take all development for the franchise in-house. Morale was low amongst the team and they were looking to start up on its own. >We had bonded as a team, but decided we wanted to work with new management. Many members of the team were actually going to leave to find new jobs, regardless of potential royalties coming in from Medal of Honor. >After leaving 2015 we were working with a major publisher. For legal reasons I will say things didn’t go as planned with it. We were left in a situation of unpaid milestones that were delivered and no finances to operate on,” says Thomas. >The company was potentially going to disband. In a last ditch effort our then president, Grant Collier sent out a signal to all the major publishers in the industry letting them know that the majority of the Medal of Honor: Allied Assault team was available. Within days of closing the doors on the studio, Activision responded immediately with an offer.”

jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
Yeah, I'm giving a simplified version, and also avoiding disclosing some details that might blow back on my friend. It was considerably more nasty than that article portrays via the quotes.
- astura 4y ago
  Except you basically said "they quit solely because of money" and the article basically says "it wasn't at all about the money." Those are very different things. One isn't a "simplified" version of the other.
  - jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
    The money was definitely the root issue. I can't say more without sharing things that could blow back on a friend. Either you believe me or you don't.
4y ago