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Most of the excess deaths are not covid but attributed from effects of lockdown (drug use, untreated cancers).

by base698 4y ago

soco 4y ago
Then we cannot attribute them to the vaccine, which was the original point.
- omniglottal 4y ago
  And, likewise, you cannot NOT attribute them to the vaccine. Inconclusive data is not to be either used as a calibrated measure nor to be simply ignored.
  - costigan 4y ago
    The excess deaths are quite possibly attributable to both the virus and the vaccines if, as one plausible but very unproven example, they're due to inflammation and/or micro-clotting caused by the spike protein. But in an environment where everyone will be exposed to the actual virus eventually, with uncontrolled initial exposures, it comes down to whether the benefit of getting vaccinated is worth the risk. The data I've seen says that it is.
    - treeman79 4y ago
      I micro clot. From before Covid. Factor 5. Will have stroke symptoms in 2 days of missing a blood thinner dose. When I got Covid. I had to double blood thinner dosage for six month to not have symptoms. Amazing how similar long Covid and my micro clotting from Factor 5 are.
vibrio 4y ago
I've not heard this, it is interesting. Do you have information on source/methods/study groups etc?
- treeman79 4y ago
  I was going through serious medical issues when I lost access to my doctors from Covid. I got lucky in that the 20th medication they tried just before lockdown ended up working. Would most likely probably be dead if things had shut down a month earlier. Tons of people in support forums were in a panic over lost access. Needed testing / procedure. Not fun when brain is swelling and doctors say they can’t see you.
  - vibrio 4y ago
    I have loved ones that suffered similarly. I do not doubt there were excess morbidity/mortality from restrictions. I'm not doubting, but there is a ton of nuance in epidemiological data like this and I'm wondering about things like demographic cuts and magnitudes of numbers which are necessary to understand the statement.
skyde 4y ago
Exactly I assumed everybody knew this. A lot of important surgery .. got postponed by hospitals because of lock-down.

Most of the excess deaths are not covid but attributed from effects of lockdown (drug use, untreated cancers).

soco 4y ago

Then we cannot attribute them to the vaccine, which was the original point.

omniglottal 4y ago
And, likewise, you cannot NOT attribute them to the vaccine. Inconclusive data is not to be either used as a calibrated measure nor to be simply ignored.
- costigan 4y ago
  The excess deaths are quite possibly attributable to both the virus and the vaccines if, as one plausible but very unproven example, they're due to inflammation and/or micro-clotting caused by the spike protein. But in an environment where everyone will be exposed to the actual virus eventually, with uncontrolled initial exposures, it comes down to whether the benefit of getting vaccinated is worth the risk. The data I've seen says that it is.
  - treeman79 4y ago
    I micro clot. From before Covid. Factor 5. Will have stroke symptoms in 2 days of missing a blood thinner dose. When I got Covid. I had to double blood thinner dosage for six month to not have symptoms. Amazing how similar long Covid and my micro clotting from Factor 5 are.

vibrio 4y ago

I've not heard this, it is interesting. Do you have information on source/methods/study groups etc?

treeman79 4y ago
I was going through serious medical issues when I lost access to my doctors from Covid. I got lucky in that the 20th medication they tried just before lockdown ended up working. Would most likely probably be dead if things had shut down a month earlier. Tons of people in support forums were in a panic over lost access. Needed testing / procedure. Not fun when brain is swelling and doctors say they can’t see you.
- vibrio 4y ago
  I have loved ones that suffered similarly. I do not doubt there were excess morbidity/mortality from restrictions. I'm not doubting, but there is a ton of nuance in epidemiological data like this and I'm wondering about things like demographic cuts and magnitudes of numbers which are necessary to understand the statement.

skyde 4y ago

Exactly I assumed everybody knew this. A lot of important surgery .. got postponed by hospitals because of lock-down.