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1) in the short term Europe is not cutting gas from Russia, it's the other way round 2) in the long term, Europe is trying to get independent from Russian gas

1) in the short term Europe is not cutting gas from Russia, it's the other way round 2) in the long term, Europe is trying to get independent from Russian gas so that 1) will not happen again Europe is trying to get away from being dependent from Russian gas for strategic, not humanistic reasons.

phh 4y ago
That being said, I hope we plan on no longer depending on Qatar either, because their stability doesn't seem a given either.
- MagnumOpus 4y ago
  Dependence only starts at 10%+ of import shares... Europe is now dependent on Russia and Norway, and slightly dependent on Algeria. Any single other source be it Azerbaijan or LNG from US/Qatar/wherever is too small to cause the price jumps we've seen (and therefore not big enough to matter politically)...
  - chitowneats 4y ago
    Yes. The idea behind scaling up LNG is that it decouples Europe from any one supplier.
- asdajksah2123 4y ago
  That would be the smart move. To greatly increase conservation (heat pumps, better insulation, etc. are low hanging fruits that will more than pay for themselves in a few years), reduce car driving in favor of cheaper and better public transport and/or bikes/ebikes, and to increase wind and solar power, both of which are as cheap if not cheaper than most sources of fossil fuels and can be brought online within months. If Europe does not do this, then they will absolutely deserve the impact of the future geopolitical shocks that will inevitably increase as climate change causes migrations, inflation, increasing natural disasters, and ensuing political instability in fossil fuel providing nations, which are not coincidentally among the most ripe for political revolt.
  - iso1631 4y ago
    How will reducing car driving save gas?
- bpodgursky 4y ago
  Once you're relying on LNG terminals rather than fixed pipes, you have a lot of source flexibility.
  - elzbardico 4y ago
    And really higher prices that will destroy German industrial competitiveness
dnh44 4y ago
>Europe is trying to get away from being dependent from Russian gas for strategic, not humanistic reasons. I think the truth of this statement increases with a slight modification. The US is trying to get Europe away from being dependent from Russian gas for strategic, not humanistic reasons. Western European countries, and Germany especially have had to be pushed into supporting Ukraine.
- scrollaway 4y ago
  > Western European countries, and Germany especially have had to be pushed into supporting Ukraine. Absolutely untrue of "western countries", only of Germany. The american "push" was welcome as a sign of confidence that we could support Ukraine not merely on our own, but with the backing of the United States. But this is our continent that is under attack. The US wouldn't otherwise care, but taking down Russia is a huge get for them so they care.

phh 4y ago

That being said, I hope we plan on no longer depending on Qatar either, because their stability doesn't seem a given either.

MagnumOpus 4y ago
Dependence only starts at 10%+ of import shares... Europe is now dependent on Russia and Norway, and slightly dependent on Algeria. Any single other source be it Azerbaijan or LNG from US/Qatar/wherever is too small to cause the price jumps we've seen (and therefore not big enough to matter politically)...
- chitowneats 4y ago
  Yes. The idea behind scaling up LNG is that it decouples Europe from any one supplier.
asdajksah2123 4y ago
That would be the smart move. To greatly increase conservation (heat pumps, better insulation, etc. are low hanging fruits that will more than pay for themselves in a few years), reduce car driving in favor of cheaper and better public transport and/or bikes/ebikes, and to increase wind and solar power, both of which are as cheap if not cheaper than most sources of fossil fuels and can be brought online within months. If Europe does not do this, then they will absolutely deserve the impact of the future geopolitical shocks that will inevitably increase as climate change causes migrations, inflation, increasing natural disasters, and ensuing political instability in fossil fuel providing nations, which are not coincidentally among the most ripe for political revolt.
- iso1631 4y ago
  How will reducing car driving save gas?
bpodgursky 4y ago
Once you're relying on LNG terminals rather than fixed pipes, you have a lot of source flexibility.
- elzbardico 4y ago
  And really higher prices that will destroy German industrial competitiveness

dnh44 4y ago

>Europe is trying to get away from being dependent from Russian gas for strategic, not humanistic reasons. I think the truth of this statement increases with a slight modification. The US is trying to get Europe away from being dependent from Russian gas for strategic, not humanistic reasons. Western European countries, and Germany especially have had to be pushed into supporting Ukraine.

scrollaway 4y ago
> Western European countries, and Germany especially have had to be pushed into supporting Ukraine. Absolutely untrue of "western countries", only of Germany. The american "push" was welcome as a sign of confidence that we could support Ukraine not merely on our own, but with the backing of the United States. But this is our continent that is under attack. The US wouldn't otherwise care, but taking down Russia is a huge get for them so they care.