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• rgrieselhuber 4y ago
  “Real world data”
• lazyier 4y ago
  > Is a terrifying admission about the gamble that was taken. Right, but according to Reddit, the Australian/New Zealand governments and other places people who didn't want to expose themselves to this stuff where all ignorant selfish assholes.
  • xienze 4y ago
    I think you might have been browsing an alternate-reality Reddit. The one I read was constantly bemoaning that no one in America was taking it seriously, "why aren't we locking down like China and New Zealand", etc.
    • sp332 4y ago
      New Zealand locked down early, but they vaccinated relatively late.
    • mitchdoogle 4y ago
      It's strange to me how so often you will see people bemoaning Reddit for some opinion that goes against the grain, when in reality Reddit is composed of a sampling of millions of humans and therefore is fully aligned with mainstream thought. Some people see a few comments or threads that disagree with them and they use that to say "All of Reddit has lost its mind", always forgetting the vast numbers of comments and threads where people generally agree with them. Funny how people do that..
      • oceanplexian 4y ago
        Reddit is a sampling of roughly 20% of 18-29 year old men who use the Internet. That’s not exactly “mainstream thought”, it’s a self selected demographic and what is popular on Reddit reflects that.
      • oska 4y ago
        > and therefore is fully aligned with mainstream thought It's obviously not fully aligned with 'mainstream thought', when the expression of many widely help positions will get individuals and whole subreddits banned
• bearjaws 4y ago
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  • Covzire 4y ago
    >The reality is, way more people would have died without the vaccine You can't and couldn't possibly know that. Nobody could. What we do know today is that the un-vaccinated aren't dying like was originally claimed they would, in fact they seem to be faring better for those under 60 or so.
    • madacol 4y ago
      > ... in fact they seem to be faring better for those under 60 or so. Haven't heard that before!. Do you have a source to read more about it?
      • TylerE 4y ago
        Probably one of those tabloid pieces saying something like "80% of the deaths are now among the vaccinated" - which ignore that the population vax rate in that country is higher than that.
    • bearjaws 4y ago
      I am going to leave age out of it as I don't participate in the "fuck-em they're over the age of 55" mentality. The incident of death does increase substantially past 55, however people died at all ages during covid, so we know more infections = more deaths across the board. Given that the vaccine available at the time resulted in around a 85% reduction in likelyhood of infection, we can for sure declare it saved many more lives than without, unless it directly killed more people than it helped...
    • MagnumOpus 4y ago
      > You can't and couldn't possibly know that. Nobody could Not with that attitude... Yes you can, there are plenty of ways of comparing regions or countries with high and low vaccination rates, or vaccination uptake. (Of course only while demographically adjusting, but the people who do these studies surprisingly often do think about the basic gotchas.)
• chiefalchemist 4y ago
  I never understood how people bought into the whole "we assure you it's safe*" narrative. Unless, there's a secret time machine, there's no data (read: no science) to support such hyperbole. And yet, such statements were quickly followed by "...trust the science..." as well as attemps to marginalize those who asked to see that data from the future. Such shenanigans doesn't build trust. It undermines it. As if gov and science need less trust at this point. *effectively an untested type of vax technology is somehow miraculously free of any/all possible short and long term side effects? The comparisons to say the Polio vax were embarrassingly naive, at best. I don't get it.
  • gergov 4y ago
    The anti-vaccination / bashing of anti-vaxx people was a pretty big and one sided internet niche pre-2020. In a way that you did have some tinfoil hat people, you had some whistleblowers, and you had an army of people bashing them left and right. And we're not even talking polio, but with stuff like chicken pox, where there was a vaccine introduced, but the folk solution (locking up the sick kids with the healthy kids so everybody gets over it) were at conflict that turned super, super vicious. In a sense it was an already ongoing battle with every argument already deployed and pre-determined, but all of a sudden everybody and their grandma were involved in the conversation against their will. The perma-online people predictably took up the positions they did, while a plethora of other opinions / skepticism emerged but were all summarily heaped in the tinfoil hat. Now it seems to be unwinding, and it feels just as surreal as the last few hours of a rave where everybody is kind of sobering up and looking at a very bothersome way home.
    • chiefalchemist 4y ago
      Question: What do you call the pro-jab'ers that used lies and hyperbole to "scientifically" justify their position? Not being troll-y or snarky. It's a legit question: Why was the self-proclaimed high road given a free pass on taking the low road? There's been a clear and obvious double standard. Why has that lede been buried?
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• chaostheory 4y ago
  People in the western societies will do anything to avoid wearing masks. That includes pushing and taking vaccines that weren’t fully tested. Unlike the latest flavor of mRNA vaccine, masks do not lose efficacy against new variants within a few months. If you wear an n95 rated mask or higher, you will have 95% efficacy or higher
  • pas 4y ago
    masks work, but their end-to-end efficacy is very low, because people would have to wear them perfectly. there's no point to wearing masks if you go to places where you take it off. people did exactly that and everyone was pikachu surprised that the pandemic was still alive and well.
    • Workaccount2 4y ago
      Or touch them at all. People say "I always wear N95 for maximum effect" But then they were the same mask for a week and play with it/adjust it 100 times a day.
    • chaostheory 4y ago
      That’s not true. Even an imperfectly worn N95 is more effective than a cloth mask or nothing at all. The n95 mask is high intuitive unless you have a large beard (ie. you just have to ensure it fits your nose bridge area and chin area properly). I would wager that it still has better efficacy than an mRNA vaccine even when improperly worn Thank you for helping making my point
      • pas 4y ago
        good wager (though a but underspecified, efficacy of preventing spread, illness, hospitalization, or death?) as far as I know the numbers are here and show otherwise https://www.healthline.com/health-news/in-the-era-of-omicron-mask-mandates-arent-working-vaccines-are https://www.healthline.com/health-news/in-the-era-of-omicron... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/briefing/masks-mandates-us-covid.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/briefing/masks-mandates-u... of course for personal health choices it's best to go for a P100 respirator and getting the vaccine
• kingkawn 4y ago
  That’s true of all medical intervention
• creshal 4y ago
  "Please keep funding us, we're doing important work!" is a pretty standard sentence you see in some variation or other in most medical studies.
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• ttpphd 4y ago
  Why is everyone voluntarily practicing amnesia? We had a lot of trial data showing safety and efficacy before the vaccines were rolled out. It is standard practice with influenza to update the stains. 0 reason to think that updating the mRNA for COVID vaccines from one strain to another is dangerous. None. Zap. Zero. Zilch.
  • pigeonhole123 4y ago
    I can't recall seeing any human studies on mRNA vaccines before the Pfizer one, which was unblinded and the control group vaccinated after six months. I also don't understand why this was done, since there will never exist any long term high quality data because of this.
  • icare_1er 4y ago
    • lima 4y ago
      It's the long-term, repeated exposure that makes smoking so dangerous.
    • mitchdoogle 4y ago
      I'm pretty sure that smoking regularly (say 10-20 cigs per day) for 6 months will lead to noticeably worse health measures
  • borner791 4y ago
    mRNA vaccine research has been going on since 1989: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRNA_vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRNA_vaccine with lots of money and research going into the technology, I don't understand where folks are coming from.
  • dudeDDRrulez 4y ago
    This already-tired argument again. Vaccines for influenza have been around for decades. The first covid shot was the first ever mRNA technology ever approved for human use. Now the booster doesn’t simply swap out strains. It moves from a monovalent to a bivalent (original formula plus the Omicron Ba4/Ba5 formula) and we shouldn’t test it? The first ever bivalent mRNA vaccine. Deployed to everyone on the planet. With absolutely no human testing done. If you’re okay with it, that’s great… that’s your personal choice to trust corrupt health authorities and for-profit vaccine manufacturers. Let me know how it goes.
• epgui 4y ago
  Almost every single biomedical paper includes a line that says "more research is needed" because one of the main goals of research is to figure out what research to do next.
• fdewrewrewf 4y ago
  However, I hope that lessons about human nature have been learned, now that we have all lived through the pandemic. Whenever we look at history and ask "how could people buy such a flimsy story, and abandon all that they previously held dear?", the answer is "willingly, enthusiastically, and they will turn in previously good friends and family to further the supposed moral ends".