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Years ago I had an Austrian 5000 Schilling note in absolute mint condition. It was a beautiful note with an image of Mozart on it but it was too expensive for m

Years ago I had an Austrian 5000 Schilling note in absolute mint condition. It was a beautiful note with an image of Mozart on it but it was too expensive for me to keep just to admire (~$500 USD) so I cashed it in for local currency. (Also, it had to be converted as the Schilling was being made obsolete by the Euro.) However before I did I wanted to keep a permanent record of it so I scanned it in the highest resolution I had available (2400dpi) and processed it in an early version of Photoshop. There were some herringbone issues which I resolved and I ended up with a truly stunning TIF image of approximately 900MB. I never attempted to print it out as my printer was pretty mediocre and I was aware that it, like all modern printers, had anti-counterfeiting measures. I don't know whether I was just lucky with that combination of scanner and Photoshop version. Anyway, as I mentioned the results were spectacular. Here's a low resolution image of said note (click on image for a larger size): https://en.numista.com/catalogue/note216574.html https://en.numista.com/catalogue/note216574.html

acomjean 4y ago
Money can be pretty. Before the euro (last century) a friend had a poster sized version of a 50(?) German Mark bill.
- Symbiote 4y ago
  It's not particular beautiful, but I have a £50 in perfect condition. I intend to frame it and put it somewhere, as it has Alan Turing on the reverse. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/note281993.html https://en.numista.com/catalogue/note281993.html
  - hilbert42 4y ago
    Given what's happened this week I think that note has more significance than just Turing. Might be a good idea to obtain few mint ones and stash them away just in case they don't stick around all that long. Redesign likely has already been done.
    - richrichardsson 4y ago
      I read that pre-decimilisation it was common to find coins with different monarchs depicted on them, presumably because they last a bit longer than notes. My understanding is that they are in no great rush to remove ER II notes/coins from circulation, but that all newly minted currency will bear Charles III. There's also a great joke doing the rounds that most notes already have Charlie on them anyway.
      - ASalazarMX 4y ago
        > There's also a great joke doing the rounds that most notes already have Charlie on them anyway. Would you care to elaborate? This joke went over my head.
        Symbiote 4y ago
        It's slang for cocaine. In Britain, there's a meme that some high proportion of banknotes have been used as straws to snort cocaine. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Charlie#Noun_2 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Charlie#Noun_2
    - Symbiote 4y ago
      Banknotes didn't display the monarch until the 1960s-1980s (depending on value), so there's no precedent to follow in this case.
      - hilbert42 4y ago
        In case my previous post wasn't clear, old banknotes are continually withdrawn from service and are automatically replenished with new ones. This happens when they're deemed to scruffy to use (i.e. won't be recognised in automatic note/pay machines, etc.). Thus, every country has a deemed service life for notes which can range from some months to several years, moreover high denomination notes are less used so their estimated service life is longer. Given the change of monarch, the Elizabeth II/Turing note would be expected to remain in service and follow its normal life cycle (whatever the UK deems that to be) but come replenishment time it will automatically be replaced with a new Charles III note. Essentially, if the UK follows normal precedent then no more Elizabeth II/Turing £50s (with the possible exception of uncirculated stock) will enter service. That is, they'll soon become rare, especially so new uncirculated ones. Again, if the UK follows tradition then the 'components' of the new note will have likely been in the design phase for quite some time. I'd bet that various designs of the new King's bust already exist and are now awaiting the King's final approval. Thus, if I wanted a mint condition £50 or for that matter any note of current issue then I'd be on the immediate hunt right now. Coins are totally different, they remain in circulation indefinitely. The exception of course was when the currency changed with decimalisation, old coins no longer represented useable values of currency so countries such as NZ, UK and Australia were forced to remove all LSD coins and notes from circulation with the change of currency. Those of us who were around in the pre-decimal era were used to seeing coins with every† monarch on them back to Victorian times. It's why I've still got boxes of pennies and halfpennies with Victoria's bust on them. __ † Of course, Edward VIII excepted, although some uncirculated coins with his bust on them do exist (and they're now extremely value). The fact that they do is evidence for what I said above about the preparation of new currency being well in hand well before the actual event. ___ Edit: FYI: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_VIII_coins https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_VIII_coins. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/17/rare-coin-featuring-king-edward-viii-sells-for-1point3-million.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/17/rare-coin-featuring-king-edw... Note the value!
  - hilbert42 4y ago
    What happened to the other post, (I was in the middle of replying to it)?
teruakohatu 4y ago
In hindsight do you think it would have been profitable to hold onto it? A quick look at eBay the listings range from ~500 EUR to ~2000 EUR. But what they actually sell for is what matters.
- hilbert42 4y ago
  Yes, very definitely so but I was a little short of funds at the time having moved from Vienna Austria to Australia (the move cost me over $10,000 USD). Nevertheless I'd managed to keep the note for the better part two years before I exchanged it at a Commonwealth Bank in Australia for which I recall I received around $730 AUD (roughly $500 USD). Whilst the note has no monetary value today (having been superseded by the Euro), a keen notaphilist would pay about $3,300 AUD for a note in the same excellent condition as mine. That's roughly 4.5 times the amount I exchanged it for some 20 years ago. Incidentally, I obtained the note in exchange for five 1,000† schilling notes at a Creditanstalt Bank in Vienna. At the time I'd seen the 5000 schilling banknote but never possessed one but after seeing a teller unwrap a brand new bundle of them I asked him to exchange one for me. It's worth noting that at the time I'd never been so close to so much money in my whole life - nor have I ever been since. The bank notes were clearly visible, they were stored immediately behind the teller so that he had immediate access to them whenever he turned around to face them. They were tightly stacked horizontally on top of each other in a row of vertical U-shaped storage channels arranged by ascending denomination (e.g.: 10, 50 ...5000) with their narrow side facing outwards. I cannot recall the exact height of the channels but likely each was 30 to 50cm tall. In effect, the teller had wall of money behind him. How much money there was I'd hardly even be able to guess. The largest denomination was 5000 schillings - you figure it out, how much money would there be in a stack of tightly-packed, freshly-minted 5000 schilling notes some 30/50 cm heigh? A damn lot, more money than I'll ever own. I found the whole scene sureal, especially the casual way the teller would turn around and grab notes from the stacks with one hand whenever he wanted them whilst simultaneously holding a cigarette in the other. The Viennese are a trusting lot, I could never imagine a situation like that ever existing from where I come from. My interest in possessing the banknote was multifold, the note was beautiful and I wanted to examine it closely, that was heightened by the fact that on its obverse side it had a bust of one of the greatest composers who ever lived and whose music I love - Mozart; and finally, printed notes use the finest printing technology available anywhere and examining then carefully gives one an insight into how such high quality printing is done. I also find it fascinating to compare the different approaches and technologies that various countries use in the printing of their currencies. __ † BTW, the 1000 schilling notes I used to obtain the 5000 schilling note is also of considerable interest, not only is it also a beautiful note but on its obverse side it has a bust of the famous quantum physicist Erwin Schrödinger - of Schrödinger's equation fame along with his infamous cat! I still possess several of these notes in mint condition along with others including the excellent 50 schilling note that's magenta in color which has a bust of Sigmund Freud on it. In my opinion this series of Austrian banknotes is one of the best ever designed (by that I mean from an artistic perspective - not its technology). _____ Edit/Update: Here's the Sigmund Freud banknote: https://www.banknotes.com/at149.htm https://www.banknotes.com/at149.htm And the Erwin Schrödinger one is here: https://www.banknotes.com/at152.htm https://www.banknotes.com/at152.htm
srmarm 4y ago
As EURion was introduced in 1996, it looks like only the S500 and S1,000 from 1997 got the treatment[0] so you should be good to print it (in relation to EURion, other policies/laws might still apply) [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation#Usage https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation#Usage
- hilbert42 4y ago
  Yeah. I'm not sure if I still have that 900MB tif but this has spurred me on to look for it. If I find it I'll take another careful look to see if it's embedded or not.
cies 4y ago
I like the rad commie bird logo in the top left of the banknote's front! Anyone knows what it signifies?
- atdrummond 4y ago
  It is a stylized version of Austria’s coat of arms. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Austria https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Austria

acomjean 4y ago

Money can be pretty. Before the euro (last century) a friend had a poster sized version of a 50(?) German Mark bill.

Symbiote 4y ago
It's not particular beautiful, but I have a £50 in perfect condition. I intend to frame it and put it somewhere, as it has Alan Turing on the reverse. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/note281993.html https://en.numista.com/catalogue/note281993.html
- hilbert42 4y ago
  Given what's happened this week I think that note has more significance than just Turing. Might be a good idea to obtain few mint ones and stash them away just in case they don't stick around all that long. Redesign likely has already been done.
  - richrichardsson 4y ago
    I read that pre-decimilisation it was common to find coins with different monarchs depicted on them, presumably because they last a bit longer than notes. My understanding is that they are in no great rush to remove ER II notes/coins from circulation, but that all newly minted currency will bear Charles III. There's also a great joke doing the rounds that most notes already have Charlie on them anyway.
    - ASalazarMX 4y ago
      > There's also a great joke doing the rounds that most notes already have Charlie on them anyway. Would you care to elaborate? This joke went over my head.
      - Symbiote 4y ago
        It's slang for cocaine. In Britain, there's a meme that some high proportion of banknotes have been used as straws to snort cocaine. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Charlie#Noun_2 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Charlie#Noun_2
  - Symbiote 4y ago
    Banknotes didn't display the monarch until the 1960s-1980s (depending on value), so there's no precedent to follow in this case.
    - hilbert42 4y ago
      In case my previous post wasn't clear, old banknotes are continually withdrawn from service and are automatically replenished with new ones. This happens when they're deemed to scruffy to use (i.e. won't be recognised in automatic note/pay machines, etc.). Thus, every country has a deemed service life for notes which can range from some months to several years, moreover high denomination notes are less used so their estimated service life is longer. Given the change of monarch, the Elizabeth II/Turing note would be expected to remain in service and follow its normal life cycle (whatever the UK deems that to be) but come replenishment time it will automatically be replaced with a new Charles III note. Essentially, if the UK follows normal precedent then no more Elizabeth II/Turing £50s (with the possible exception of uncirculated stock) will enter service. That is, they'll soon become rare, especially so new uncirculated ones. Again, if the UK follows tradition then the 'components' of the new note will have likely been in the design phase for quite some time. I'd bet that various designs of the new King's bust already exist and are now awaiting the King's final approval. Thus, if I wanted a mint condition £50 or for that matter any note of current issue then I'd be on the immediate hunt right now. Coins are totally different, they remain in circulation indefinitely. The exception of course was when the currency changed with decimalisation, old coins no longer represented useable values of currency so countries such as NZ, UK and Australia were forced to remove all LSD coins and notes from circulation with the change of currency. Those of us who were around in the pre-decimal era were used to seeing coins with every† monarch on them back to Victorian times. It's why I've still got boxes of pennies and halfpennies with Victoria's bust on them. __ † Of course, Edward VIII excepted, although some uncirculated coins with his bust on them do exist (and they're now extremely value). The fact that they do is evidence for what I said above about the preparation of new currency being well in hand well before the actual event. ___ Edit: FYI: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_VIII_coins https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_VIII_coins. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/17/rare-coin-featuring-king-edward-viii-sells-for-1point3-million.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/17/rare-coin-featuring-king-edw... Note the value!
- hilbert42 4y ago
  What happened to the other post, (I was in the middle of replying to it)?

teruakohatu 4y ago

In hindsight do you think it would have been profitable to hold onto it? A quick look at eBay the listings range from ~500 EUR to ~2000 EUR. But what they actually sell for is what matters.

hilbert42 4y ago
Yes, very definitely so but I was a little short of funds at the time having moved from Vienna Austria to Australia (the move cost me over $10,000 USD). Nevertheless I'd managed to keep the note for the better part two years before I exchanged it at a Commonwealth Bank in Australia for which I recall I received around $730 AUD (roughly $500 USD). Whilst the note has no monetary value today (having been superseded by the Euro), a keen notaphilist would pay about $3,300 AUD for a note in the same excellent condition as mine. That's roughly 4.5 times the amount I exchanged it for some 20 years ago. Incidentally, I obtained the note in exchange for five 1,000† schilling notes at a Creditanstalt Bank in Vienna. At the time I'd seen the 5000 schilling banknote but never possessed one but after seeing a teller unwrap a brand new bundle of them I asked him to exchange one for me. It's worth noting that at the time I'd never been so close to so much money in my whole life - nor have I ever been since. The bank notes were clearly visible, they were stored immediately behind the teller so that he had immediate access to them whenever he turned around to face them. They were tightly stacked horizontally on top of each other in a row of vertical U-shaped storage channels arranged by ascending denomination (e.g.: 10, 50 ...5000) with their narrow side facing outwards. I cannot recall the exact height of the channels but likely each was 30 to 50cm tall. In effect, the teller had wall of money behind him. How much money there was I'd hardly even be able to guess. The largest denomination was 5000 schillings - you figure it out, how much money would there be in a stack of tightly-packed, freshly-minted 5000 schilling notes some 30/50 cm heigh? A damn lot, more money than I'll ever own. I found the whole scene sureal, especially the casual way the teller would turn around and grab notes from the stacks with one hand whenever he wanted them whilst simultaneously holding a cigarette in the other. The Viennese are a trusting lot, I could never imagine a situation like that ever existing from where I come from. My interest in possessing the banknote was multifold, the note was beautiful and I wanted to examine it closely, that was heightened by the fact that on its obverse side it had a bust of one of the greatest composers who ever lived and whose music I love - Mozart; and finally, printed notes use the finest printing technology available anywhere and examining then carefully gives one an insight into how such high quality printing is done. I also find it fascinating to compare the different approaches and technologies that various countries use in the printing of their currencies. __ † BTW, the 1000 schilling notes I used to obtain the 5000 schilling note is also of considerable interest, not only is it also a beautiful note but on its obverse side it has a bust of the famous quantum physicist Erwin Schrödinger - of Schrödinger's equation fame along with his infamous cat! I still possess several of these notes in mint condition along with others including the excellent 50 schilling note that's magenta in color which has a bust of Sigmund Freud on it. In my opinion this series of Austrian banknotes is one of the best ever designed (by that I mean from an artistic perspective - not its technology). _____ Edit/Update: Here's the Sigmund Freud banknote: https://www.banknotes.com/at149.htm https://www.banknotes.com/at149.htm And the Erwin Schrödinger one is here: https://www.banknotes.com/at152.htm https://www.banknotes.com/at152.htm

srmarm 4y ago

As EURion was introduced in 1996, it looks like only the S500 and S1,000 from 1997 got the treatment[0] so you should be good to print it (in relation to EURion, other policies/laws might still apply) [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation#Usage https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation#Usage

hilbert42 4y ago
Yeah. I'm not sure if I still have that 900MB tif but this has spurred me on to look for it. If I find it I'll take another careful look to see if it's embedded or not.

cies 4y ago

I like the rad commie bird logo in the top left of the banknote's front! Anyone knows what it signifies?

atdrummond 4y ago
It is a stylized version of Austria’s coat of arms. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Austria https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Austria